Serial Killers and Pen Pals: A Conversation with Forensic Psychologist Jeff Smalldon on His Correspondences with Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, and More
Serial Killers and Pen Pals: A Conversation with Forensic Psychologist Jeff Smalldon on His Correspondences with Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, and More  
Podcast: Murder Sheet
Published On: Tue Dec 02 2025
Description: Dr. Jeffrey Smalldon has corresponded with some of the most infamous killers in United States history.That habit started long before he became a distinguished forensic psychologist, an expert on what makes killers tick.In his new book, That Beast Was Not Me: One Forensic Psychologist, Five Decades of Conversations with Killers, Jeff delves into his correspondence with infamous killers and figures like Charles Manson, Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, and more.Get Jeff's book That Beast Was Not Me here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/that-beast-was-not-me-one-forensic-psychologist-five-decades-of-conversations-with-killers-jeffrey-l-smalldon/a4e8236eb8ace300?ean=9798986512488&next=tOr here, on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/That-Beast-Was-Not-Conversations-ebook/dp/B0D6WPF17HCheck out Jeffrey Smalldon's email and newsletter here: https://jeffreysmalldon.com/Find discounts for Murder Sheet listeners here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/discountsCheck out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.