Marty Cagan Explains How to Design a Product Like Steve Jobs
Marty Cagan Explains How to Design a Product Like Steve Jobs  
Podcast: Digital Disruption with Geoff Nielson
Published On: Mon Apr 21 2025
Description: What does it really take to build a product-driven organization in the age of AI, and are organizations ready for what's coming next?Today on Digital Disruption, we’re joined by Marty Cagan, product thought leader and founder of the Silicon Valley Product Group.Before founding the Silicon Valley Product Group (SVPG) to focus on helping others build successful products through writing, speaking, advising, and coaching, Marty Cagan served as a product executive at some of the world’s most successful technology companies, including HP Labs, Netscape Communications, and eBay. Through his work with SVPG, Marty is a sought-after speaker at major conferences and leading companies around the world. He is also the author of three influential books: Inspired: How to Create Tech Products Customers Love, Empowered: Ordinary People, Extraordinary Products, and Transformed: Moving to the Product Operating Model.Marty sits down with Geoff Nielson to discuss how generative AI is reshaping product management and why organizations need to rethink how they build and lead product teams. He outlines three key models of product management and explains how AI is disrupting each one differently. This conversation dives deep into modern product thinking, as Marty highlights what sets companies like Amazon, Apple, Tesla, and Netflix apart — emphasizing the importance of visionary leadership and product-centric thinking. Marty also gives a look into his latest book Transformed, which explains how even the most traditional organizations can adopt modern product practices.In this episode:00:00 Intro00:30 How generative ai is shifting product roles 01:20 The 3 models of product management explained 03:00 Why product owner roles are most at risk 05:00 Upskilling in the world of AI 06:25 What execution roles must to learn 07:30 The Feature Team Model and its vulnerabilities 09:00 Top product companies getting it right 10:40 What great product leadership looks like 13:00 Bill Campbell’s coaching culture 15:10 Empowered engineers17:00 The Steve Jobs myth 20:00 Product discovery at Apple explained 21:30 Executive resistance 23:00 Real-world case studies25:35 The importance of pilot teams29:00 From surviving to thriving with gen ai 30:30 The 3 Meta questions 33:00 Why transformation takes time 36:00 How to use pilot teams 39:00 The anti-patterns42:30 Why coaching works better than consulting 45:00 Emerging tech 47:00 Crypto vs. Gen AI48:00 Enterprise products work 51:00 Can the product model work in government? Connect with Marty:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cagan/Website: SVPG: Learn the Product Operating Model : Silicon Valley Product GroupVisit our website: https://www.infotech.com/Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@InfoTechRG