Podcast:The Art Bell Archive Published On: Sat Nov 01 2025 Description: Art Bell welcomes space historian and journalist Robert Zimmerman for a wide-ranging discussion about the state of space exploration. Zimmerman describes the remarkable success of the Mars rovers Spirit and Opportunity, now operating well beyond their planned 90-day missions, transmitting geological evidence that water once flowed across the Martian surface. He explains how Opportunity discovered layered sedimentary rock formations and mineral deposits that could only form in the presence of standing water.The conversation shifts to the growing tensions between NASA's bureaucratic culture and the emerging private space industry. Zimmerman argues that SpaceShipOne's successful suborbital flights represent a paradigm shift, proving that small entrepreneurial teams can achieve what previously required government-scale budgets. He criticizes NASA's Constellation program as overly expensive and politically driven, predicting that private companies will eventually surpass the agency in both innovation and cost efficiency.Art and Zimmerman discuss the European Space Agency's Huygens probe landing on Saturn's moon Titan, which revealed a frozen landscape with methane rivers and hydrocarbon rain. They examine whether the Bush administration's vision for a return to the Moon and eventual Mars missions is realistic given current funding levels. Zimmerman expresses concern that political promises without adequate budgets will repeat the pattern of Apollo, where capabilities were built and then abandoned within a single generation.