May 15, 2005: Antigravity and Zero Point Energy - Nick Cook | New Phoenix Lights - Jeff Willes
Podcast: The Art Bell ArchivePublished On: Wed Nov 19 2025
Description: Art Bell opens the program with Jeff Willes, who captured striking new video footage of mysterious lights over Phoenix on May 12, 2005. Willes, who filmed the original 1997 Phoenix Lights and runs UFOs Over Phoenix, describes three lights appearing in a triangular formation before one rapidly skips across the sky at impossible speed. Luke Air Force Base denied any knowledge of the objects when contacted.The program then features Nick Cook, aviation editor for Jane's Defence Weekly and author of "The Hunt for Zero Point." Cook discusses the Casimir effect as experimental evidence for zero-point energy and examines Dr. Eugene Podkletnov's superconducting disk experiments, which measured a three to five percent weight reduction in objects suspended above rotating superconductors. He reveals that Chinese-American scientist Dr. Ning Li received U.S. Army funding to develop force field beam technology from similar experiments before mysteriously disappearing from public life.Cook and Art explore the strange voltage constantly present on Art's massive antenna array in the desert, measuring over 300 volts on clear, calm days with no apparent source. Cook notes that the white world of aerospace is showing increased interest in these exotic technologies, while suggesting the black world of classified programs may be far more advanced than publicly acknowledged.
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