February 12, 2002: The Phoenix Project, Shifting from Oil to Hydrogen - Harry Braun
Podcast: The Art Bell ArchivePublished On: Sun Mar 02 2025
Description: Art Bell interviews energy analyst Harry Braun, author of "The Phoenix Project: Shifting from Oil to Hydrogen," about his plan to transition the entire U.S. energy and transportation infrastructure to hydrogen fuel within five years. Braun explains that 45 kilowatt-hours of electricity and 2.3 gallons of water can produce the energy equivalent of one gallon of gasoline, with zero carbon emissions and only water vapor as exhaust.Braun proposes building 10 million one-megawatt wind turbines to triple the nation's electrical output, arguing the internal components of wind machines are no more complex than automobile engines and could be mass-produced at the same rate. He addresses the Hindenburg myth, noting that two-thirds of passengers survived and that NASA investigators determined the aluminum-powdered skin, not hydrogen, caused the fire. BMW's fifth-generation hydrogen cars, he reports, perform identically to gasoline vehicles with one second faster acceleration.The conversation also ventures into exponential growth in molecular biology, with Braun predicting that within 10 to 20 years, genetic engineering will allow humans to regenerate tissue and become biologically 18 again. Art presses him on the practical challenges, including the five-trillion-dollar price tag and the political will required to redirect a billion dollars per week currently spent on Middle Eastern oil.
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