Sahil Bloom had everything society tells you to want: Stanford degree, private equity job, money, status — but he was miserable. Drinking seven nights a week. 40 pounds overweight. Seeing his parents once a year. In this episode, Sahil breaks down the moment that changed everything: a friend calculating he’d only see his parents 15 more times before they died. Within 45 days, he quit his high-paying job, sold his house, and moved across the country to redesign his life around what actually mattered. Now the New York Times bestselling author of The 5 Types of Wealth, Sahil shares why money only buys happiness up to a point, how to build real wealth beyond just finances, and why “nobody is thinking about you” might be the most freeing advice for your 20s. We talk about quitting safely, replacing your salary with side hustles, AI as the biggest mispriced opportunity right now, finding a mentor (yes, including Tim Cook), building leverage through content, and how to design a life you won’t regret. If you’ve ever felt successful on paper but empty in real life, this episode is for you.  Chapters00:00 The Life That Looked Perfect (But Wasn’t) 02:40 Private Equity, Status & Silent Burnout 05:55 The “15 Times Left” Wake-Up Call 09:30 Quitting a High-Paying Job in 45 Days 13:15 Redefining Wealth Beyond Money 17:05 The 5 Types of Wealth Explained 21:20 Measuring Yourself on the Wrong Scoreboard 25:10 Does Money Actually Buy Happiness? 29:00 Replacing Your Salary Before You Quit 33:10 AI as the Biggest Mispriced Opportunity 37:00 How to Find (and Earn) a Great Mentor 41:10 “Nobody Is Thinking About You” & Designing Your Life  🔗 FOLLOW US https://www.instagram.com/phoebegates https://www.instagram.com/sophiakianni https://www.instagram.com/sahilbloom  🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTS https://www.instagram.com/theburnouts https://www.tiktok.com/@theburnouts https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-burnouts  📲 Support What We’re Building Phoebe and Sophia aren’t just your hosts—they’re the founders of Phia, a fashion-tech app helping shoppers find the best prices across retail and resale. Download the app and help us grow → https://www.phia.com  About The Burnouts The Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, athletes, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to reveal the real stories behind ambitious careers. Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and more. Subscribe for the insider playbook to build your dream career. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Rebecca Minkoff built a global fashion brand from a $3.25/hour internship, a scrappy “I ❤️ NY” tee after 9/11, and one breakout bag that women literally stopped her on the street to ask about. With no connections and no safety net, she moved to New York at 18, figured it out in real time, and turned hustle into a multi-million-dollar brand worn by celebrities and carried everywhere. In this episode, Rebecca walks through the real story behind the “Morning After” bag, what it was like losing 70% of revenue overnight during COVID, and why most founders should think twice before raising venture capital. She shares hard-earned lessons on hiring and firing, betting on yourself, building a brand in the age of social media, and navigating fame through Real Housewives. If you’ve ever wanted to start something from scratch, pivot when everything falls apart, or build a brand that lasts longer than trends — this episode is your blueprint.  Chapters00:00 From No Connections to Fashion Icon 00:18 Moving to NYC With $3.25/Hour 01:19 Intern to Founder, Starting Her Own Line 02:00 I ❤️ NY Shirt Breakthrough 03:17 Betting It All on Bags 05:43 Going All In, Quitting Styling for Good 06:11 Networking Like Cash 09:29 Building a Brand in 2025 vs. 2005 10:17 Hiring, Firing & Learning to Let Go 19:52 COVID, 70% Revenue Drop & Rebuilding the Business 31:15 Real Housewives, Brand Impact & Mental Toll 35:04 NFL, Amazon & Building Strategic Partnerships 36:55 What’s Next  🔗 FOLLOW US https://www.instagram.com/phoebegates https://www.instagram.com/sophiakianni https://www.instagram.com/beckyminkoff https://www.instagram.com/rebeccaminkoff  🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTS https://www.instagram.com/theburnouts https://www.tiktok.com/@theburnouts https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-burnouts  📲 Support What We’re Building Phoebe and Sophia aren’t just your hosts—they’re the founders of Phia, a fashion-tech app helping shoppers find the best prices across retail and resale. Download the app and help us grow → https://www.phia.com  About The BurnoutsThe Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, athletes, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to reveal the real stories behind ambitious careers. Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and more. Subscribe for the insider playbook to build your dream career. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Luis Von Ahn details the story behind Duolingo and its famous owl, how to do handle marketing in the TikTok era, hiring young talent, and using addictive habits for good. Chapters 00:00:00 Intro & The Owl 00:02:35 Unhinged Marketing 00:06:09 TikTok Era 00:08:06 Owl As the Face + Approving Risky Posts 00:10:31 Hiring New Grads and “No Assholes” 00:14:29 Making Learning Feel Delightful 00:16:57 Addictive Habit Loops 00:18:38 Expanding Beyond Languages 00:19:26 Guatemala Roots + Free Education Mission 00:23:40 AI 00:31:00 Impact 00:36:58 What's Next for Duolingo?  🔗 FOLLOW US https://www.instagram.com/phoebegates https://www.instagram.com/sophiakianni https://www.instagram.com/duolingo  🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTS https://www.instagram.com/theburnouts https://www.tiktok.com/@theburnouts https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-burnouts  📲 Support What We’re Building Phoebe and Sophia aren’t just your hosts—they’re the founders of Phia, a fashion-tech app helping shoppers find the best prices across retail and resale. Download the app and help us grow → https://www.phia.com  About The Burnouts The Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, athletes, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to reveal the real stories behind ambitious careers. Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and more. Subscribe for the insider playbook to build your dream career. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Phoebe and Sophia detail the best lessons they have learned from the career playbooks of the most successful people in the world, from how to leverage relationships in your career to what makeup to wear. The Burnouts celebrate hitting 200,000 subscribers, and launching Phia, which has already reached one million users and raised a $35 million Series A. Thank you for watching, for subscribing, and for being part of this journey with us. Chapters00:00 - Intro 00:50 - Leveraging Relationships in Negotiating 03:12 - Screen for Niceness 05:10 - Office Culture 06:30 - What Makeup to Wear? 10:40 - Routines & Uniforms 12:06 - Future Self 12:46 - Top Goals for 2026  🔗 FOLLOW US https://www.instagram.com/phoebegates https://www.instagram.com/sophiakianni  🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTS https://www.instagram.com/theburnouts https://www.tiktok.com/@theburnouts https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-burnouts  📲 Support What We’re Building Phoebe and Sophia aren’t just your hosts—they’re the founders of Phia, a fashion-tech app helping shoppers find the best prices across retail and resale.  Download the app and help us grow → https://www.phia.com  About The BurnoutsThe Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, athletes, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to reveal the real stories behind ambitious careers. Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and more. Subscribe for the insider playbook to build your dream career. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Codie Sanchez breaks down why chasing fame is a losing game—and why real wealth is often built quietly through “boring” businesses most people overlook. Drawing on her background in institutional finance and small-business acquisitions, Codie explains how she spots unfair opportunities, why she exited industries like cannabis despite strong returns, and which unsexy sectors can consistently generate cash today.The conversation dives into college versus trade school, the true value of elite networks, and how parental expectations can hold young people back from building the life they actually want. Codie shares practical advice on making more money early in your career—finding your unfair advantage, helping your boss win, stacking skills, and learning to negotiate by understanding how value is really created inside a business.They also cover sales, mentorship, investing basics, and how to start learning deals without taking reckless risks. Codie closes with a candid take on investing in your health, appearance, and resilience—arguing that winning often comes down to doing hard things early and playing the game as it actually exists, not how we wish it worked.Chapters 0:00 Rich vs Famous 3:17 Overlooked Businesses & Early Investing 9:42 Why Boring Businesses Win 17:11 College, Trade School & Social Capital 26:08 Parents, Pressure & Choosing Advice 34:19 How to Make More Money Early 42:07 Sales, Skills & Standing Out at Work 50:23 Investing Basics & Learning Deals 57:41 Health, Appearance & Playing to Win 1:03:18 Final Thoughts & Wrap-Up  🔗 FOLLOW US https://www.instagram.com/phoebegates https://www.instagram.com/sophiakianni https://www.instagram.com/codiesanchez🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTShttps://www.instagram.com/theburnouts https://www.tiktok.com/@theburnouts https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-burnouts  📲 Support What We’re Building Phoebe and Sophia aren’t just your hosts—they’re the founders of Phia, a fashion-tech app helping shoppers find the best prices across retail and resale. Download the app and help us grow → https://www.phia.com About The Burnouts The Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, athletes, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to reveal the real stories behind ambitious careers. Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and more. Subscribe for the insider playbook to build your dream career. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

He started a podcast in his bedroom before most people land their first job.Now, Harry Stebbings runs one of the most influential platforms in venture capital and manages a $400M fund.In this episode of The Burnouts, Harry sits down with Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni to unpack what actually drives success — and why so many smart, ambitious people stay stuck. From dropping out of law school to building leverage through content, Harry shares the lessons he learned the hard way about confidence, decision-making, and playing the long game.This conversation goes far beyond startups and investing. Harry opens up about the confidence gap holding people back, why men bluff and women wait, and how likeability, storytelling, and persistence often matter more than raw intelligence. He explains how content became one of the most powerful tools in his career, why distribution now shapes opportunity, and how relationships — not resumes — drive the biggest decisions.Harry also reflects on regret, missed deals, mentorship, and the uncomfortable truth that success often comes from taking action before you feel ready. Whether you’re early in your career, thinking about building something of your own, or just feeling behind, this episode offers a rare, honest look at what actually works.Chapters00:00 – The Reality of Entrepreneurship00:40 – From The Social Network to Dropping Out of Law School01:55 – Building a Fund Through Media & Network Effects02:31 – Why Venture Capital Over Being a Founder03:38 – Co-Founders, Breakups & Hard Personal Lessons07:18 – What Actually Makes a Great Founder08:55 – Gender, Confidence & Entrepreneurship14:23 – Mentorship vs Coaching & How to Get Access16:40 – Content as a Distribution Weapon23:29 – Finding Your First True Fans25:18 – Building & Managing High-Performance Teams29:22 – Investment Mistakes & Missed Billion-Dollar Deals31:35 – Vulnerability, Trust & People Skills36:05 – WhatsApp, Fundraising & Relationship Scaling37:30 – Trust, Endurance & Outworking Everyone40:00 – Storytelling, Creativity & the Risk of AI44:16 – Being a Great Investor When Things Go Wrong45:02 – Final Advice: Take the First Step 🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniHarry Stebbings20VC🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedIn📲 Support What We’re BuildingPhoebe and Sophia aren’t just your hosts—they’re the founders of Phia, a fashion-tech app helping shoppers find the best prices across retail and resale. Download the app and help us grow.About The BurnoutsThe Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, athletes, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to reveal the real stories behind ambitious careers.Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and more.Subscribe for the insider playbook to build your dream career. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

One day, she was racing Daytona. The next, she was shooting for Victoria’s Secret.NASCAR driver, model, and trailblazer Toni Breidinger is living two worlds, and paying the price to stay in both.In this episode of The Burnouts, Toni sits down with Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni to reveal the brutal, behind-the-scenes reality of motorsports. She opens up about being told she needed $1–2 million just to race, moving across the country at 18 with no funding, and surviving by doing Instacart by day and cold emails by night.Toni breaks down why talent isn’t enough in NASCAR, how social media literally saved her career, and what it’s like being the only woman racing NASCAR full-time—from unequal pay to brand sponsorship politics. She also shares how she navigates modeling in a male-dominated sport, why she turned down six-figure OnlyFans offers, and how she built a sustainable career when every race depends on sponsorship dollars.Whether you’re chasing a nontraditional career, building a personal brand, or betting on yourself when the odds feel stacked against you, this episode is packed with raw honesty, hard lessons, and real strategy.Chapters00:00 – unequal pay & being the only woman in nascar03:00 – starting racing at age 906:30 – realizing racing costs millions09:00 – told she needed $1–2 million to compete11:00 – moving cross-country at 1813:00 – instacart by day, cold emails by night16:00 – how social media saved her career20:00 – brand deals, sponsorships & unequal pay25:00 – modeling, victoria’s secret & sports illustrated30:00 – turning down six-figure onlyfans offers36:00 – funding races & surviving motorsports48:00 – what’s next: the road to the cup series🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniToni Breidinger🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedIn📲 Support What We’re BuildingPhoebe and Sophia aren’t just your hosts—they’re the founders of Phia, a fashion-tech app helping shoppers find the best prices across retail and resale. Download the app and help us grow.About The BurnoutsThe Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, athletes, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to reveal the real stories behind ambitious careers.Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and more.Subscribe for the insider playbook to build your dream career. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

He arrived in New York with $100, slept in parks, showered at the YMCA — and went on to invent the tube top, dress Studio 54, and build a billion-dollar fashion empire.In this episode of The Burnouts, fashion icon Elie Tahari joins Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni alongside his son and CEO Jeremey Tahari for a rare, multi-generational conversation about survival, ambition, taste, and legacy.Elie walks through his unbelievable journey: immigrating to New York alone, working as an electrician by day and selling clothes by night, sneaking into a fashion show through a back door, and accidentally creating one of the most iconic garments of the 1970s. From disco dresses to power suits, he explains how watching women on New York streets — not runways — taught him how to anticipate what they’d want next.Jeremey opens up about growing up inside the business, stepping out of his father’s shadow, and eventually taking over as CEO — while expanding the company into real estate, licensing, and global scale. Together, they unpack what it really looks like to work with family, disagree on taste, hand over control, and build something meant to last 50+ years.This episode is about the American dream in its rawest form — luck, hustle, intuition, ego checks, and building success with heart. If you’re building from scratch, navigating family dynamics at work, or trying to define success on your own terms, this one’s required listening.Chapters00:00 – Arriving in NYC with $10001:00 – Sleeping in parks & finding community03:00 – From electrician to fashion hustle04:30 – Inventing the tube top06:30 – Sneaking into a fashion show & landing 250K orders08:30 – Studio 54, disco & early fashion moments11:00 – Dressing women entering the workforce13:00 – Building a fashion empire15:00 – Real estate, licensing & vertical integration17:00 – Father–son dynamics in business19:30 – Taking over as CEO22:00 – Disagreeing on taste & generational shifts25:00 – Persian culture, fashion & femininity27:30 – Leadership, hiring & humility30:00 – Legacy, luck & advice for the burnouts🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniElie TahariJeremey TahariTahari Group🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedIn📲 Support What We’re BuildingPhoebe and Sophia aren’t just your hosts — they’re the founders of Phia, a fashion-tech app helping shoppers find the best prices across retail and resale. Try it now → https://www.phia.comAbout The BurnoutsThe Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond headlines to explore the real stories, breakdowns, and breakthroughs that define your 20s.Past guests include Paris Hilton, Tommy Hilfiger, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and other entrepreneurs redefining our generation.🔔 Subscribe for the insider playbook to build your dream career. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Allison Ellsworth went from oil & gas spreadsheets to building Poppi, the prebiotic soda that broke the internet, rewrote the rules on “healthy soda,” and sold to PepsiCo in a multibillion-dollar deal.In this episode of The Burnouts, Allison joins Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni to share how a DIY apple-cider-vinegar tonic from her Texas kitchen turned into the soda of the next generation. She walks through the whole arc: farmers’ markets, Whole Foods, Shark Tank while nine months pregnant, a risky rebrand, and the TikTok storytime that quietly did $100K on Amazon overnight.Allison also gets brutally honest about working with her husband, hiring too slowly while growth rockets, and what happens to your identity when you suddenly have both a Super Bowl ad and an exit. She shares the unglamorous side of lawsuits, burnout, mom guilt, and figuring out “what’s next” when you technically never have to work again.If you’re building a consumer brand, obsessing over content, or just trying to stay ambitious without completely frying your nervous system, this episode is a masterclass in playing the long game — and still having fun.Chapters00:00 – From Texas kid to unexpected founder02:00 – ACV shots, health issues & the Poppi spark04:30 – Farmers’ market hustle → Whole Foods breakthrough06:30 – Shark Tank at 9 months pregnant08:30 – The risky rebrand: Mother Beverage → Poppi11:00 – Launching Poppi during COVID13:00 – TikTok virality & selling out overnight16:00 – Creator-first marketing & celebrity fans19:00 – Flavor wins, flavor fails & building a real soda22:00 – Working with your husband (and being wrong sometimes)24:30 – Sugar, lawsuits & building in CPG27:00 – Inside the PepsiCo acquisition30:00 – Life after the exit & what’s next for Allison🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniAllison EllsworthPoppi 🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTShttps://www.instagram.com/theburnoutshttps://www.tiktok.com/@theburnoutshttps://www.linkedin.com/company/the-burnouts📲 Support What We’re BuildingPhoebe and Sophia aren’t just your hosts — they’re the founders of Phia, a fashion-tech app helping shoppers find the best prices across retail and resale. Download now and join the community of 800,000+ smarter shoppers.About The BurnoutsThe Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond headlines to explore the real stories, breakdowns, and breakthroughs that define your 20s.Past guests include Paris Hilton, Tommy Hilfiger, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and other entrepreneurs redefining our generation.🔔 Subscribe for the insider playbook to build your dream career. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Founder and creative force Jasmin Larian Hekmat reveals the untold story of how she turned a scrappy side hobby into Cult Gaia, one of the most recognizable fashion brands of the last decade.Before the Ark Bag exploded across Instagram, Jasmin was wiring flower crowns at her kitchen table, hauling a flower cart to festivals, and giving away bags no one would buy. In this episode of The Burnouts, she tells Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni how a single product quietly snowballed into a global sensation and reshaped her entire career.Jasmin breaks down the five years before Cult Gaia “hit,” the moment the Ark Bag went from ignored to iconic, and the relentless creativity that keeps her one step ahead of imitators. She shares how she built a multimillion-dollar business without raising a cent of venture capital, how she protects the brand’s fiercely artful DNA, and why her designs are meant to stop someone in their tracks.From vase purses to playable backgammon clutches to fragrance bottles that feel like sculpture, Jasmin explains how she turns wild ideas into objects people obsess over. She also opens up about motherhood, running a 100 person team, trusting her gut when everyone says no, and staying original in an industry that copies everything.If you are building a fashion brand, dreaming up your first product, or trying to stand out in a crowded industry, this conversation will change the way you think about creativity, community, and staying power.Chapters00:00 The Hobby That Accidentally Started Cult Gaia02:00 The $38 Bag No One Wanted04:00 The Viral Moment That Changed Everything06:00 How She Built a Brand With Zero Investors08:00 Surviving Copycats and Staying Original10:00 Building a Team While Raising Three Kids12:00 The Pressure Behind a “Perfect” Brand14:00 Designing Pieces People Can’t Ignore16:00 What Founders Get Wrong About Success18:00 Lightning Round: Style, Risks, and Reinvention🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniJasmin Larian Hekmat🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedIn📲 Support What We’re BuildingPhoebe and Sophia are the founders of Phia, a new fashion-tech app helping shoppers find the best prices across retail and resale. Download now and join the community of 800,000+ happy users.About The BurnoutsThe Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with top founders, creators, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond headlines to explore the real stories, breakdowns, and breakthroughs that define your twenties.Past guests include Paris Hilton, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and Tommy Hilfiger.Subscribe for the inside playbook to build your dream career. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Founder and author Grace Beverley built a multimillion-dollar portfolio of brands—TALA, Shreddy, and The Productivity Method—before turning 25.In this episode of The Burnouts, Grace joins Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni to share how she went from posting anonymous fitness content at Oxford to leading some of the UK’s fastest-growing female-founded companies. She breaks down the pressure of being a young woman in power and the bias female founders still face.Grace opens up about juggling multiple businesses, navigating personal grief, and the hidden cost of public success. She also speaks candidly about relationships, ambition, and the standards women are expected to meet.Whether you’re building a brand, raising capital, or figuring out how to stay ambitious without burning out, this conversation offers an unfiltered look at what it really takes for young women to succeed.Chapters00:00 – From anonymous fitness posts to Oxford02:15 – The £1 ebooks that changed her life05:20 – Building her first multimillion-dollar business08:10 – Why women must stop chasing “shiny” projects11:00 – The truth about scaling TALA & Shreddy14:30 – Fundraising bias & the questions women still get asked18:00 – Miscarriage, grief & running a company21:15 – The impossible standards for female founders24:00 – Relationships that dim ambition27:00 – Why social media punishes successful women30:00 – Building Retrograde & the creator economy33:00 – How Grace makes decisions fast36:00 – What she wishes every young woman knew about power🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniGrace Beverley🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedIn📲 Support What We’re BuildingPhoebe and Sophia aren’t just your hosts — they’re the founders of Phia, a new fashion-tech app helping shoppers find the best prices across retail and resale. Download the app and try it yourself.About The BurnoutsThe Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond headlines to explore the real stories, breakdowns, and breakthroughs that define your 20s.Past guests include Paris Hilton, Tommy Hilfiger, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and other entrepreneurs redefining our generation.Subscribe for the insider playbook to build your dream career. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of The Burnouts, Steve sits down with Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni to share the true story of how he went from a college dropout selling shoes in Queens to building one of the most influential footwear companies in the world. He talks about the early instincts that set him apart, the moment he knew he had something special, and the creative philosophy that has kept his brand relevant for more than three decades.Steve also opens up about the twists and turns of his journey — including learning hard lessons during the Wolf of Wall Street years and stepping away from the company before returning more focused and energized than ever. He reflects on the loyalty of his team, the power of staying close to the customer, and why speed, instinct, and obsession with product remain his North Star.Plus: the story behind his first viral shoe, his unfiltered take on dupe culture, the trends he loves (and hates), how Gen Z made him go viral again, and the fashion advice he wishes everyone knew earlier.Whether you’re building a brand, navigating a major life pivot, or chasing a creative vision, this conversation is a masterclass in staying true to your instincts, evolving with culture, and building something that lasts.Chapters00:00 – Growing up in Queens and falling in love with shoes01:45 – Dropping out of college and learning retail03:20 – Starting Steve Madden with $1,10006:00 – Product instinct, speed to market, and early hits08:45 – Becoming a “pirate” in fashion11:00 – The Wolf of Wall Street years and the IPO14:00 – Prison, addiction, and rebuilding his life16:30 – Reinventing the Steve Madden brand18:00 – Dupe culture, controversy, and staying relevant20:00 – What he hates (and loves) in fashion today22:00 – Designing shoes women actually want23:30 – AI, TikTok, and the future of trend cycles26:00 – Lessons from failure and advice for young founders🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniSteve Madden🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedIn📲 Support What We’re BuildingPhoebe and Sophia aren’t just your hosts — they’re the founders of Phia, a fashion-tech app helping shoppers find the best prices across retail and resale. Download Phia for free in the App Store. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Founder, author, and beauty trailblazer Alli Webb built Drybar from a simple blowout idea into a $255M beauty empire that transformed the industry.In this episode of The Burnouts, Alli sits down with Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni to share how she went from doing hair in her living room to leading one of the most recognizable service brands in the country. She talks about the explosive rise of Drybar, selling the company for hundreds of millions, and the personal challenges that followed at the height of her success.Alli opens up about losing her sense of identity after the sale, navigating grief and motherhood, and rebuilding her life through her new brand, Messy. She reflects on what the beauty world gets wrong, the lessons she learned as a female founder, and the real cost of fast growth.Whether you are building a brand, growing a service business, or figuring out the next chapter after burnout, this conversation is a powerful look at resilience, reinvention, and finding purpose again.Chapters00:00 – From stay-at-home mom to mobile blowouts02:30 – The idea that sparked Drybar05:00 – Opening the first Brentwood studio07:00 – When Drybar went viral overnight10:00 – Raising capital & navigating hypergrowth13:00 – The truth about selling a company15:30 – Alli’s personal life falls apart18:00 – Losing her identity after the exit21:00 – Rebuilding from scratch & finding purpose23:00 – Launching her new brand, Messy26:00 – Advice for founders rebuilding their lives29:00 – What Alli wishes every woman knew about success🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniAlli Webb🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedIn📲 Support What We’re BuildingPhoebe and Sophia aren’t just your hosts — they’re the founders of Phia, a new fashion-tech app helping shoppers find the best prices across retail and resale. Try it now for free in the App Store.About The BurnoutsThe Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond headlines to explore the real stories, breakdowns, and breakthroughs that define your 20s.Past guests include Paris Hilton, Tommy Hilfiger, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss and other entrepreneurs redefining our generation.Subscribe for the insider playbook to build your dream career. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Founder, creative director, and cultural icon Emily Oberg has built one of the most recognizable lifestyle brands of our generation: Sporty & Rich.In this episode of The Burnouts, Emily Oberg sits down with Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni to unpack her journey from Complex producer to fashion entrepreneur, building a multimillion-dollar business rooted in wellness, design, and timeless style, without ever taking a dollar of outside funding.Emily opens up about turning a Tumblr moodboard into a global brand, growing from $5K in savings to $40M in annual revenue, and the realities of running a company after a public breakup with her business partner. She shares what it’s really like to scale quickly, navigate burnout, and stay creatively fulfilled while leading a 40-person team.Plus: how she built Sporty & Rich without investors, why preorders fueled her early success, what she’s learned about leadership (and ego), and the importance of building a world. (not just a brand).Whether you’re dreaming of launching your own label, staying independent as a founder, or defining success on your own terms, this conversation is a masterclass in creative control, discipline, and staying true to your vision.Chapters00:00 – From retail in Canada to Complex Media02:00 – Leaving corporate life to build her own path03:00 – The Tumblr that became Sporty & Rich06:00 – Bootstrapping a brand: preorders, savings & hustle07:00 – Meeting her business partner and early growth12:00 – Going from $100K to $30M in sales14:00 – Covid and the sweatsuit boom15:00 – Scaling challenges and factory chaos17:00 – Knowing your strengths & hiring smart18:00 – Opening the first Sporty & Rich store19:00 – Expanding into wellness with Central Sport22:00 – Lessons from mistakes & customer mishaps23:00 – Facing scrutiny as a female founder27:00 – Emily’s leadership philosophy & advice for women29:00 – Sporty & Rich today: $40M in sales, still 100% owned🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniEmily Oberg🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedIn📲 Support What We’re BuildingPhoebe and Sophia aren’t just your hosts—they’re the founders of Phia, a new fashion-tech app helping shoppers find the best prices across retail and resale. Download Phia for free in the App Store.About The BurnoutsThe Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to share the real stories, lessons, and mindsets that define your 20s.Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and other visionaries redefining the brands—and the blueprints—of our time.Subscribe now for the insider playbook to build your dream career. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

From homeless teen to multi-millionaire entrepreneur, investor, and mentor to millions, Simon Squibb has lived one of the most extraordinary entrepreneurial journeys of our time.In this episode of The Burnouts, Simon Squibb sits down with Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni to unpack how losing his father at 15 and spending weeks homeless reshaped his view on success, purpose, and money. He opens up about sleeping on the streets, starting his first business out of survival, and building a creative empire that led to financial freedom, and a mission to help 10 million people start businesses through his “Give Without Take” movement.Simon reveals the mindset shifts that turned trauma into drive, why he believes happiness is a trap, and the three sales principles that made him a millionaire. He also shares what most entrepreneurs get wrong about mentorship, why purpose matters more than profit, and how “bad luck” can be your greatest advantage.Whether you’re just starting out, stuck in a 9-to-5, or dreaming of building something that actually matters, this conversation is packed with raw honesty, purpose-driven wisdom, and actionable lessons from one of the internet’s most followed business voices.Chapters00:00 – From homeless teen to entrepreneur03:00 – Losing his father at 15 and becoming homeless06:00 – The first business that changed everything10:00 – Learning to sell (and why school failed him)15:00 – The truth about happiness and purpose19:00 – How Hong Kong taught him work-life integration25:00 – Building and losing companies (and learning from failure)30:00 – Mentorship myths & why advisors matter more35:00 – The 3 sales principles that made him a millionaire40:00 – Why purpose > happiness44:00 – The one question everyone in their 20s should ask🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniSimon Squibb🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedIn📲 Support What We’re BuildingPhoebe and Sophia aren’t just your hosts—they’re the founders of Phia, a new fashion-tech app helping shoppers find the best prices across retail and resale. Download the app, try it out, and help us grow this communityAbout the BurnoutsThe Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to share the real stories, lessons, and mindsets that define your 20s.Past guests include Kris Jenner, Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Karlie Kloss, and other visionaries redefining what success looks like.Subscribe now for the insider playbook to build your dream career. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to the episode that might change your life (or at least your bedtime routine).Bryan Johnson made bank building Braintree Venmo. Then he walked away from it all to spend $2M a year turning his body into a science experiment. Now? He says he’s the healthiest human alive, and he’s got the organ scans to prove it.Hosts Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni get deep with Bryan about biohacking, founder burnout, the dirty truth about our food system, and why optimizing your sleep might be the most rebellious thing you can do as an entrepreneur.This convo gets real: blood transfusions, lonely sleep routines, and "sugar face" real.Timestamps00:00 Can we be the first generation that doesn’t die?04:12 Selling Braintree Venmo + redefining success08:05 Spending $2M/year on health10:52 The #1 fix for burnout (it’s free)14:30 Bryan’s exact food + supplement routine17:15 Should founders ever sacrifice sleep?22:00 The science behind alcohol, caffeine, and your trash sleep26:40 Sleeping alone, no phones, and other hot takes30:45 Sunlight, seed oils & the truth about sugar face34:20 How to stay healthy without becoming obsessive🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniBryan Johnson🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedin📲 Support What We’re BuildingPhoebe and Sophia aren’t just your hosts—they’re the founders of Phia, a new fashion-tech app helping shoppers find the best prices across retail and resale. Download the app, try it out, and help us grow this community from the ground up → https://www.phia.comAbout The BurnoutsThe Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to share the real stories, lessons, and mindsets that define your 20s.Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and other visionaries redefining the brands—and the blueprints—of our time.Subscribe now for the insider playbook to build your dream career. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Sophia Amoruso built a $350M fashion empire from her bedroom—and lost it all before rebuilding her life from the ground up.In this episode of The Burnouts, the original “Girlboss” and founder of Nasty Gal joins Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni for her most unfiltered conversation yet. From selling thrifted clothes on eBay to becoming a CEO on magazine covers, Sophia reveals how she built a cult brand that defined a generation—and what really happened when everything came crashing down.She opens up about walking away from a company she founded, navigating bankruptcy, and learning to lead with empathy instead of ego. Sophia also shares the untold lessons behind Girlboss, why she believes failure is her greatest teacher, and how she’s redefining success through her new venture fund, Trust Fund.Whether you’re building your first business, chasing creative independence, or trying to rebuild after a setback, this conversation is a raw, honest masterclass in resilience, reinvention, and freedom.Chapters00:00 – From eBay seller to $100M brand05:00 – Building Nasty Gal and first hires10:00 – Leaving eBay and going solo13:00 – Going viral before social media18:00 – Raising venture capital too soon24:00 – The downfall and lessons learned30:00 – How Girlboss was born35:00 – Starting over with Trust Fund40:00 – Life in London & redefining success46:00 – The truth about ambition and burnout🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniSophia Amoruso🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedin📲 Support What We’re BuildingPhoebe and Sophia aren’t just your hosts—they’re the founders of Phia, a fashion-tech app that helps shoppers find the best prices across retail and resale. Try it out and join the movement.About The BurnoutsThe Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s most iconic founders, creators, and entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond headlines to share the real stories, lessons, and mindset shifts that define your 20s.Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and Tommy Hilfiger.🛎️ Subscribe for more unfiltered stories on success, failure, and everything in between. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Comedian, creator, actress, author, and activist Lilly Singh has built a career on breaking barriers and rewriting the rules.In this episode of The Burnouts, Lilly Singh sits down with Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni to share her journey: from growing up as the “disappointing” second daughter in an immigrant household, to becoming YouTube’s breakout superstar with 15M+ subscribers, to launching a late-night show and producing her own films.She opens up about the chip on her shoulder that fueled her rise, how gender equity shapes everything she does, and why she believes storytelling—not just politics or protests—is the most powerful tool for change. Plus: her new raunchy sex comedy Doing It (why Hollywood called it “too niche”), what she learned about money, gratitude, and negotiating as a woman, and how she built Hyphenate to support South Asian creators.Lilly also gets real about therapy, unlearning likability, the pressure of “relevancy” on the internet, and why connection—not algorithms—is the only metric that really matters.Whether you’re dreaming of becoming a creator, breaking into Hollywood, or building a career that actually aligns with your values, this conversation is packed with lessons, raw honesty, and plenty of laughs.Chapters00:00 – Growing up in Toronto & immigrant expectations02:00 – The chip on her shoulder: proving girls can do anything04:00 – Why storytelling is activism05:00 – Doing It: sex comedy as cultural intervention08:00 – Lessons from early YouTube days & feeding the algorithm10:00 – Losing (and regaining) authenticity & connection12:00 – Hollywood, “noise,” and drawing boundaries14:00 – Building her first team & hiring smarter people18:00 – Hyphenate: supporting South Asian creators20:00 – Diversifying income & passive revenue23:00 – Passion projects vs. profit projects28:00 – Negotiating money & the weaponization of gratitude31:00 – Unlearning likability & embracing being “unpopular”34:00 – Hollywood vs. YouTube: who really knows the audience36:00 – Defining success when relevancy is weaponized38:00 – Boundaries, therapy, and not being “what you do”42:00 – Why being a lifelong student is the smartest move43:00 – Tattoos, spirituality & protection🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniLilly Singh🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedIn📲 Support What We’re BuildingPhoebe and Sophia aren’t just your hosts—they’re the founders of Phia, a fashion-tech app helping shoppers find the best prices across retail and resale. Download the app, try it out, and help us grow this communityAbout The BurnoutsThe Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to share the real stories, lessons, and mindsets that define your 20s.Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and Tommy Hilfiger.🛎️ Subscribe for the insider playbook to build your dream career. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Rainn Wilson is best known as Dwight Schrute from The Office, one of the most iconic characters in TV history. But behind the legendary role, he faced burnout, fame overload, and the realization that success alone would never make him happy.On The Burnouts Podcast, Rainn Wilson joins Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni for an unfiltered interview about life after The Office. He opens up about chasing bigger movies, more money, and more fame in Hollywood, why it left him unfulfilled, and how he reinvented himself through spirituality, mental health practices, and his bestselling book Soul Boom.This Rainn Wilson interview is filled with behind-the-scenes stories from The Office, hilarious unscripted Dwight Schrute moments, the lessons he learned from sudden wealth and celebrity, and why finding purpose matters more than success.Whether you are a longtime fan of The Office, curious about Rainn Wilson’s career beyond Dwight Schrute, or searching for meaning in a burnout culture, this conversation is raw, funny, and packed with insights you will not forget. Chapters00:00 – Dwight Schrute & the paradox of fame04:00 – Why The Office didn’t make Rainn Wilson happy09:00 – Burnout, ego, and chasing “more” in Hollywood12:00 – Reinventing life through spirituality18:00 – From SoulPancake to Soul Boom24:00 – The mental health crisis & phones30:00 – Behind the scenes of The Office (Dwight improv moments)37:00 – Money, fame, and family lessons44:00 – Advice Rainn Wilson wishes he knew in his 20s50:00 – The future of storytelling and purposeFOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniRainn WilsonFOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedInSupport What We’re BuildingPhoebe and Sophia aren’t just your hosts—they’re the founders of Phia, a VC-backed fashion-tech app helping shoppers find the best prices across retail and resale. Download the app, try it out, and leave us your feedback.About The BurnoutsThe Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to share the real stories, lessons, and mindsets that define your 20s.Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and other icons redefining culture today.Subscribe for more interviews with leaders, creators, and entrepreneurs shaping our generation. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Makeup artist, mogul, author, hotelier—Bobbi Brown has built more than one empire (and reinvented herself along the way).In this episode of The Burnouts, Bobbi sits down with Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni to talk about what it really takes to build an iconic brand, sell it for millions, and then start all over again. From mixing her first lipstick with a chemist and cold-calling agencies out of the Yellow Pages, to selling Bobbi Brown Cosmetics to Estée Lauder and later launching Jones Road Beauty, Bobbi shares the unfiltered version of how she built—and rebuilt—her career on her own terms.She opens up about confidence, burnout, and building businesses with her husband and family. Plus: the 25-year non-compete that changed everything, why “retirement” is not in her vocabulary, how she clapped back at viral TikTok criticism (and won), and the simple beauty rules she swears by for every generation.Also: how she accidentally went from makeup artist to hotel owner, why she still cold-DMs influencers, and her #1 piece of advice for young women chasing their dream career.🔍 CHAPTERS00:00 – Starting Bobbi Brown Cosmetics06:30 – Reinventing beauty around natural looks09:20 – Vogue covers, Naomi Campbell, and early breaks12:00 – Building a billion-dollar brand with Estée Lauder20:00 – Family, partnership, and working with her husband27:20 – Selling for $74M and the 25-year non-compete30:00 – Going viral with Jones Road Beauty on TikTok34:30 – Personal brand, social media, and DMs that changed everything40:00 – Jones Road’s growth and what’s next46:00 – Advice for entrepreneurs (luck vs. hard work)51:00 – Hiring, culture, and leading a scrappy team57:00 – Self-care, health, and why she’ll never retire🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniBobbi Brown🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedIn📲 Download the Phia app.Subscribe to The Burnouts for exclusive conversations with today’s top founders and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by former Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, this isn’t just another founder podcast—it’s untold conversations and the unfiltered reality of what it takes to build your dream career in your 20s. Guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and more visionaries defining the brands—and blueprints—of our time. Whether you’re dreaming big or building now, these are the conversations that will show you how it’s done (and what no one else tells you).🔔 Subscribe now to get the blueprint for building your dream career Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Fashion legend, entrepreneur, and cultural icon—Tommy Hilfiger has spent over four decades shaping global style, from bell-bottom jeans in upstate New York to a fashion empire sold in more than 100 countries.In this episode of The Burnouts, Tommy Hilfiger sits down with Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni to share his incredible journey: growing up with undiagnosed dyslexia, opening his first jean shop at 18, going bankrupt in his twenties, and betting everything on a disruptive billboard campaign that put his name alongside Ralph Lauren and Calvin Klein.He opens up about the viral Snoop Dogg SNL moment that made Hilfiger logos a worldwide phenomenon, reinventing his brand when it began to plateau, and building one of America’s most successful lifestyle companies through bold collaborations with Beyoncé, Aaliyah, Gigi Hadid, Zendaya, and Lewis Hamilton. Plus: the challenges of balancing creativity with business, why manifestation has guided him from the start, and how AI is set to transform the future of fashion.Tommy also gets real about resilience, reinvention, and family—sharing the lessons he learned from bankruptcy, the importance of finding smart business partners, and his journey raising children with autism while scaling a global brand.Whether you’re dreaming of launching a fashion label, building a lifestyle brand, or simply learning from one of the most iconic designers of our time, this conversation is packed with lessons, raw honesty, and timeless inspiration.Chapters00:00 – From dyslexia to dreaming big02:00 – Opening People’s Place at 1804:00 – The “4 Great Designers” billboard controversy06:00 – Bloomingdale’s rejection & Snoop Dogg’s viral rugby shirt08:00 – Bankruptcy, resilience, and rebuilding in NYC10:00 – Reinventing the brand with European influence12:00 – Why young creatives need business partners16:00 – Fragrance licensing and going public19:00 – Global expansion & international success21:00 – Dressing musicians, Beyoncé, Aaliyah & early influencer marketing24:00 – Collaborations with Gigi Hadid, Zendaya & Lewis Hamilton28:00 – Fashion + AI and the future of creativity30:00 – Manifestation, resilience & creative process34:00 – Family, autism advocacy, and staying grounded🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniTommy Hilfiger🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedIn📲 Support What We’re BuildingPhoebe and Sophia aren’t just your hosts—they’re the founders of Phia, a new fashion-tech app helping shoppers find the best prices across retail and resale. Download the app, try it out, and help us grow this community from the ground up.About The BurnoutsThe Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to share the real stories, lessons, and mindsets that define your 20s.Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and other visionaries redefining the brands—and the blueprints—of our time.Subscribe now for the insider playbook to build your dream career. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Danish-born model, blogger, and entrepreneur Anine Bing went from selling her secondhand clothes online to building one of the fastest-growing contemporary fashion houses in the world. With 40+ retail stores, a global online presence, and a signature rock-and-roll yet timeless aesthetic, Anine has redefined what it means to be a creative founder in fashion.In this episode of The Burnouts, Anine Bing sits down with Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni for an intimate, unfiltered conversation about her entrepreneurial rise — from moving to Milan at 14 to model, blogging before Instagram was a thing, and launching her brand out of a Los Angeles garage while raising two kids.She opens up about the early hustle of packing orders by hand, finding confidence amid constant naysayers, and building a brand that puts authenticity and creativity above quick money. Anine shares stories of her viral fashion moments (like Kendall Jenner’s Coachella bralette), bringing Kate Moss into her campaigns, navigating burnout, and raising venture capital while staying true to her vision.Plus: how she blends fashion with music (including her upcoming album Chapter Two), her creative process behind collections, the power of founder-led marketing, and why her ultimate mission is to empower women through timeless design and self-belief.Whether you’re a fashion lover, aspiring founder, or just seeking the motivation to follow your gut and block out the noise, this episode is packed with lessons on resilience, creativity, and building a brand that lasts.👜 SHOP ANINE BING'S FALL COLLECTIONChapters00:00 – Anine Bing joins The Burnouts01:00 – Leaving Sweden at 14 to model in Milan03:00 – From blogging to selling her secondhand clothes online07:00 – Starting a fashion brand out of a garage while raising kids09:00 – “Fuck the rest”: dealing with naysayers and self-doubt11:00 – The creative process: mood boards, playlists, and designing the Anine Bing woman13:00 – Why retail presence still matters in the digital age15:00 – Raising kids while building a global brand18:00 – Burnout, balance, and finding self-care as a founder22:00 – From Rosie Huntington-Whiteley to Kendall Jenner: viral celebrity fashion moments24:00 – Founder-led marketing vs. personal branding26:00 – Music as therapy and the making of Chapter Two29:00 – Taking VC funding and scaling globally32:00 – Iconic pieces: denim, blazers, boots, and beyond35:00 – Mistakes, resilience, and why you can’t give up🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedIn📲 Support What We’re BuildingPhoebe and Sophia aren’t just your hosts—they’re the founders of Phia, a fashion-tech app helping you find the best prices across retail and resale. Download the app.About The BurnoutsThe Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to share the real stories, lessons, and mindsets that define your 20s.Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and other visionaries redefining the brands—and the blueprints—of our time.Subscribe now for the insider playbook to build your dream career. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

He got booed for saying “f*** Steve Jobs.” He built a media empire out of his dad’s liquor store. And now, Gary Vaynerchuk—better known as Gary Vee—is the brutally honest voice redefining what success really means.In this episode of The Burnouts, entrepreneur and bestselling author Gary Vee joins hosts Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni for a raw, unfiltered conversation about money, ambition, and why patience—not hustle—is the ultimate flex.Gary opens up about how growing up as an immigrant kid shaped his obsession with work, why he thinks making $100K can be “making it,” and why kindness beats IQ when it comes to leadership. Together, they unpack why Silicon Valley glorifies the wrong heroes, why social media isn’t dying anytime soon, and why most young founders are chasing clout instead of building real businesses.He also shares the hidden strength behind VaynerMedia—the Chief Heart Officer who keeps the company together—the “convenience always wins” rule shaping the future of AI and shopping, and the exact moment he realized millions wouldn’t make him happier.This isn’t motivational fluff—it’s a masterclass in long-term thinking from someone who’s seen it all. If you’ve ever wondered whether you’re on the right path, Gary Vee will change the way you measure success.Chapters00:00 – Who is Gary Vee?06:10 – Why most influencers will fail (and the rise of live shopping)08:10 – The key to a successful business: eliminating friction10:05 – Why Gary Vee said “F*** Steve Jobs”: EQ over IQ in leadership14:44 – The best marketing strategy for the AI consumer era21:38 – Why chasing clout isn’t worth it24:10 – The simple ask that drives real business growth30:44 – Gary’s advice for building your dream career🔗 FOLLOW GARY VEEInstagramTikTokYoutube🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedIn📲 Support What We’re BuildingPhoebe and Sophia aren’t just your hosts—they’re the founders of Phia, a fashion-tech app helping you find the best prices across retail and resale. Download the app.About The BurnoutsThe Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to share the real stories, lessons, and mindsets that define your 20s.Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and other visionaries redefining the brands—and the blueprints—of our time.❤️‍🔥 Subscribe now for the insider playbook to build your dream career. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Global pop icon Ava Max went from a first-generation immigrant household to topping charts in over 20 countries with hits like “Sweet but Psycho,” “Kings & Queens,” and “Maybe You’re the Problem.” With over 70 billion streams and a signature fearless style, Ava is rewriting what it means to own your power in the music industry.In this episode of The Burnouts, Ava Max joins Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni for a raw, unfiltered conversation about her rise to stardom — from moving to LA at 14, surviving predatory industry environments, and nearly quitting music, to finding her voice, building her sound, and creating a global pop phenomenon.She opens up about the grind behind her success, the trauma and resilience that shaped her, and the inspiration behind her new album, “Don’t Click Play." Ava shares stories of losing her voice at the peak of her breakout hit, navigating fame while staying grounded, and why protecting her energy has become her top priority. Plus: what it really takes to build a lasting career in pop, the pressures of being “always on,” and her vision for a future stadium tour.Whether you’re an aspiring artist, a longtime fan, or just looking for motivation to keep going when life knocks you down, this episode is filled with lessons on persistence, self-belief, and embracing your unique voice.🎶 STREAM AVA'S ALBUM "DON'T CLICK PLAY"Chapters00:00 – The moment Ava Max walked into our studio…01:00 – From Virginia to LA: the bold move that changed everything04:00 – The brutal reality of chasing a dream at 1407:00 – Five years of rejection… and the one “yes” that changed her life09:00 – “My vocal cords exploded” — what really happened at the height of her first hit11:00 – The night the Max Cut was born (and why it changed her career)13:00 – Finding her sound: the secret to songs that empower millions16:00 – What going viral really feels like (and why it’s not always what you think)19:00 – Behind the curtain: the exhausting truth about touring22:00 – The business of pop: labels, teams, and staying in control24:00 – Why she disappeared from social media (and how she’s coming back stronger)26:00 – Stadium tour dreams and a secret creative project you haven’t heard about28:00 – How Ava Max turns doubt into fuel30:00 – “Don’t Click Play”: the album that almost never happened🔗 FOLLOW AVA MAXInstagramTikTokWebsite🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedIn📲 Support What We’re BuildingPhoebe and Sophia aren’t just your hosts—they’re the founders of Phia, a fashion-tech app helping you find the best prices across retail and resale. Download the app.About The BurnoutsThe Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to share the real stories, lessons, and mindsets that define your 20s.Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and other visionaries redefining the brands—and the blueprints—of our time.Subscribe now for the insider playbook to build your dream career. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Model, creator, comedian, and Forbes Top Creator—Haley Kalil has lived a thousand lives (from science labs to Sports Illustrated covers to viral comedy).In this episode of The Burnouts, Haley Kalil sits down with Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni to share her rollercoaster journey: trading biomedical science for beauty pageants, paying her way through college, breaking into modeling without an agent, and then going viral overnight to build a multi-million-dollar creator career.She opens up about navigating divorce, escaping an abusive relationship, reinventing herself through comedy, and betting everything on content creation. Plus: how she made her first $50k/month off YouTube shorts, why brand deals aren’t always the answer, and the financial realities (and taxes) of being a top digital creator.Haley also gets real about the stigma of divorce, the pressure successful women face while dating, her viral “Billionaire Boyfriend” series, and what it really takes to stay authentic while scaling a $6M+ creator business.Whether you’re dreaming of a career in content, modeling, or building your own creator-led brand, this conversation is packed with lessons, raw honesty, and plenty of laughs.Chapters00:00 – From biomedical science to beauty pageants04:30 – Winning Miss Minnesota & paying for college with scholarships06:00 – Sports Illustrated open casting call via Instagram10:00 – Early modeling days & mental resilience12:00 – Viral apartment tour → pivot to content creation15:00 – Betting everything on YouTube & posting 5x a day19:00 – Hitting $50k/month in ad revenue22:00 – The viral “Billionaire Boyfriend” series24:00 – Divorce stigma, healing, and rebuilding29:00 – Going from red carpets to Oscars & Met Gala33:00 – Social media backlash & accountability37:00 – Advice for creators on finding your voice41:00 – Monetization: ad revenue vs. brand deals46:00 – Staying authentic in partnerships48:00 – The true costs of creator life (taxes, management fees)50:00 – What’s next for Haley🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniHaley Kalil🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedIn📲 Support What We’re BuildingPhoebe and Sophia aren’t just your hosts—they’re the founders of Phia, a new fashion-tech app helping shoppers find the best prices across retail and resale. Download the app, try it out, and help us grow this community from the ground up.About The BurnoutsThe Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to reveal the real blueprint for building power in your 20s.Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and more visionaries redefining the brands—and the blueprints—of our time.Subscribe now for the insider playbook to build your dream career. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

From Disney Channel star to outspoken mental health advocate, Alyson Stoner has lived a life in the spotlight—and paid the price.In this episode of The Burnouts, Alyson joins Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni to open up about the truth behind child stardom, the eating disorder that forced them to step away from Hollywood, and the box of documents that changed everything they thought they knew about their childhood.They share what it was really like growing up famous, the toxic systems that exploit young talent, and the powerful tools they use today to protect their mental health. Plus: how they’re redefining success, finding purpose beyond fame, and why they named their memoir Semi Well-Adjusted.📖 Alyson’s memoir Semi Well-Adjusted Despite Literally Everything is out now.CHAPTERS00:00 – Growing up on Disney Channel & Missy Elliott02:15 – The moment Alyson stepped away from Hollywood05:00 – The “toddler to train wreck” pipeline of child performers06:45 – Losing childhood in the age of social media08:00 – Playing firsts on camera without living them in real life09:20 – How toxic Hollywood work environments really are10:45 – Why “exposure” doesn’t pay the bills12:00 – The hidden costs of going viral13:40 – Tools Alyson uses to shake off stress16:00 – Mind-body practices for anxiety & burnout18:30 – Why different states of mind need different mindfulness tools20:00 – Stillness vs. somatic tools for busy minds22:00 – Reading their Camp Rock diary years later24:00 – Why now was the time to write Semi Well-Adjusted25:10 – The box of documents that changed their life story27:00 – What “Semi Well-Adjusted” really means28:15 – Choosing causes and building advocacy work30:00 – Purpose as a constellation, not a North Star32:00 – Advice for navigating anxiety and depression34:45 – How to process rejection without losing yourself37:00 – Focusing on what you can control🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniAlyson Stoner🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedIn💙 Support What We’re BuildingPhoebe and Sophia aren’t just your hosts—they’re the founders of Phia, a new fashion-tech app helping shoppers find the best prices across retail and resale. Download the app, try it out, and help us grow this community from the ground up ❤️‍🔥 Get a Free 90 Day Trial of Movement Genius:1. Go to Movement Genius2. Choose Monthly Membership3. Use code THEBURNOUTS🕯️✨ USE CODE "BURNOUTS15" FOR 15% OFF THE PHLUR X THE BURNOUTS CANDLE ✨🕯️ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Beauty founder, podcast queen, brand builder—Lauryn Bosstick turned a $50 blog into The Skinny Confidential empire.In this episode of The Burnouts, Lauryn joins Phoebe and Sophia in Austin, TX to talk about building a cult brand from scratch. From sleeping in her car during sorority rush to creating one of the world’s most downloaded podcasts, Lauryn shares how she built her brand brick by brick—with no investors, no shortcuts, and no selling out.She gets real about early burnout, building slowly with intention, and why executing (not overthinking) is the secret to everything. Plus: what makes someone a great podcast guest, how she evaluates brand deals, and the hilarious parenting trick she swears by (cookie water, anyone?)Also: foot spas, Think Week, and how not having an iPhone gave Phoebe character.🕯️✨ USE CODE "BURNOUTS15" FOR 15% OFF THE PHLUR X THE BURNOUTS CANDLE  ✨🕯️CHAPTERS00:00 – From sorority dropout to brand founder02:30 – Why she launched The Skinny Confidential05:00 – Blogging 7 days a week for 3 years (with $0)10:10 – Turning down money (and why she’s proud of it)12:30 – Lauryn’s funnel: how she vets guests + brand deals16:10 – The advice she gives every 20-something brand builder17:00 – The one hire every founder should make first20:45 – Think Week, foot spas, and strategic solitude27:00 – How she uses branding tricks to parent toddlers30:00 – Personal vs public: what Lauryn won’t post online35:00 – Resourcefulness over resumes in the age of AI38:00 – The biggest mistake most creatives make🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniLauryn Bosstick🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedIn Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

He’s redefined how millions think about money. But what Morgan Housel says about paychecks, wealth, and regret will completely flip your idea of what it means to be “rich.”In part 2 of The Burnouts interview, Morgan Housel joins Sophia Kianni and Phoebe Gates for a conversation that unpacks the biggest money myths we’ve been sold—from why chasing a high salary will never make you wealthy to how the American Dream became a lie our generation can’t afford.They go deep on:The psychology of feeling broke even when you’re notWhy wealth is built with ownership, not incomeWhat 90-year-olds wish they did differently with moneyHow gender impacts the way we’re taught to think about risk, equity, and ambitionAnd the real reason no amount of money ever feels like enoughAlso: MrBeast vs. the media industry, what kids actually learn about money, and why comparing yourself to others is the fastest path to lifelong financial anxiety.This is the part they don’t teach in school—and the stuff most financial “experts” get wrong.💸✨ USE CODE "BURNOUTS15" FOR 15% OFF THE LIMITED-EDITION PHLUR X THE BURNOUTS CANDLE ✨💸CHAPTERS00:00 – Why most people will never feel rich3:40 – Social media, comparison, and financial anxiety7:15 – What 1,000 elderly people regret about money11:10 – The American Dream is changing—fast15:00 – College, homeownership, and economic reality19:30 – Why you won’t get rich from a paycheck23:45 – The power of equity (especially for women)27:20 – Risk, regret, and knowing when to bet on yourself32:00 – Teaching kids about money (without lectures)36:40 – Are we wired to be bad with money?40:00 – Why no one tells you this about success🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniMorgan Housel🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedIn Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

He didn’t go to high school. He valeted Ferraris he couldn’t afford. Now he’s one of the most trusted money minds in the world.In this episode of The Burnouts, bestselling author and VC partner Morgan Housel joins Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni for a conversation that will completely rewire how you think about wealth, ambition, and what “enough” actually means.He shares how fear—not ambition—drove him to work two full-time jobs at 19, save every dollar like the apocalypse was coming, and obsess over flashy cars as a way to feel worthy. They unpack why most people are playing the wrong financial game, why trying to “beat the market” backfires, and why some of the richest people you know still feel broke inside.Also: dating while broke, how having a kid ended his materialism overnight, and the one expensive gift he regrets buying to impress his now-wife.This is the money education you should’ve gotten—but probably didn’t. It’s about psychology, not spreadsheets. Scarcity, not flexing. And no, you’re not the only one faking it.💸✨ USE CODE "BURNOUTS15" FOR 15% OFF THE LIMITED-EDITION PHLUR X THE BURNOUTS CANDLE ✨💸Chapters00:00 — Who is Morgan Housel?02:45 – Why everyone’s playing a different money game05:20 – Dropping out + the fear that made him save08:30 – What the guy with the yellow Ferrari taught him12:55 – How becoming a dad changed his financial goals15:00 – The most common investing mistake20:10 – The dumbest flex gift he ever bought23:40 – Talking money while dating in your 20s29:00 – His current investing strategy (it’s very boring)34:30 – How to stop chasing status and start building wealth🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniMorgan Housel🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedIn📲 Download the Phia app to start saving money: www.phia.comSubscribe to The Burnouts for exclusive conversations with today’s top founders and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by former Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, this isn’t just another founder podcast—it’s untold conversations and the unfiltered reality of what it takes to build your dream career in your 20s. Guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and more visionaries defining the brands—and blueprints—of our time. Whether you’re dreaming big or building now, these are the conversations that will show you how it’s done (and what no one else tells you).🔔 Subscribe now to get the blueprint for building your dream career Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Legend. Disruptor. Tech’s sharpest critic. Kara Swisher doesn’t just cover Silicon Valley—she holds it accountable.On this episode of The Burnouts, Kara sits down with Phoebe and Sophia for an unfiltered conversation about building a career on her own terms (and never waiting her turn). From calling out mistakes at The Washington Post as a college student to becoming the most feared interviewer in tech, Kara shares the bold decisions, brutal lessons, and behind-the-scenes power moves that shaped her journey.She gets real about the early days of tech reporting, navigating anti-gay and anti-women environments, the importance of always asking for more (and walking away if you don’t get it), and what it really takes to own your IP in a world built by and for powerful men.Plus: Why women need to ask for more (and not wait their “fucking turn”)Come for the stories about Steve Jobs, Elon, and Succession-style media drama—stay for Kara’s hard-won wisdom on surviving, thriving, and never selling yourself short.Also: why “fuck you money” only matters if you’re willing to use it.🕯️✨ USE CODE "BURNOUTS15" FOR 15% OFF THE PHLUR X THE BURNOUTS CANDLE  ✨🕯️Chapters00:00 — Who is Kara Swisher?02:30 – Getting hired by criticizing The Washington Post06:00 – Losing her dad young & finding independence09:15 – Money mistakes and financial advice for women12:30 – Learning to negotiate, ask for more, and own her IP18:00 – Walking away from Dow Jones and the New York Times21:30 – Why power makes tech moguls weird27:00 – The shrinking world of billionaires and “cashmere prisons”29:00 – On grilling Zuckerberg, interviewing Jobs, and the point of journalism32:00 – Advice for building a career in media today35:00 – Kara’s blueprint: Be useful, be entertaining, be unique🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniKara Swisher🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedIn📲 Download the Phia appSubscribe to The Burnouts for exclusive conversations with today’s top founders and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by former Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, this isn’t just another founder podcast—it’s untold conversations and the unfiltered reality of what it takes to build your dream career in your 20s. Guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and more visionaries defining the brands—and blueprints—of our time. Whether you’re dreaming big or building now, these are the conversations that will show you how it’s done (and what no one else tells you).🔔 Subscribe now to get the blueprint for building your dream career Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Model, investor, activist, founder—Karlie Kloss has worn a lot of hats (and a lot of couture).In this episode of The Burnouts, Karlie sits down with Phoebe and Sophia to talk about what happens when your “dream job” turns into something more. From getting scouted at 13 and walking Dior at 15, to launching Kode With Klossy and acquiring i-D magazine, Karlie shares the real story behind the headlines—and how she’s used her platform to build power on her own terms.She opens up about early burnout, learning to trust her instincts, and the pressure of growing up in public. Plus: how she used brand deals to fund a coding nonprofit, why she angel invested in tampons, and what she’s learned about failure, focus, and building a career that actually lasts.Also: how she made $10k flying economy???🕯️✨ USE CODE "BURNOUTS15" FOR 15% OFF THE PHLUR X THE BURNOUTS CANDLE ✨🕯️CHAPTERS00:00 — Who is Karlie Kloss?02:15 – Getting scouted at 1304:10 – Saving every dollar (even mid-Fashion Week)06:30 – Modeling as a means, not the end09:20 – Using social media as a business tool11:00 – Starting Kode With Klossy15:10 – Investing in women-led companies18:45 – Mistakes, pivots, and building something real24:00 – Why she uses her dinner parties to fund reproductive rights29:20 – Reimagining i-D for the next generation33:00 – Advice for young women entering fashion35:00 – Letting go of the pressure to have it all figured outFOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniKarlie Kloss🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedIn📲 Download the Phia app: www.phia.comSubscribe to The Burnouts for exclusive conversations with today’s top founders and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by former Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, this isn’t just another founder podcast—it’s untold conversations and the unfiltered reality of what it takes to build your dream career in your 20s. Guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and more visionaries defining the brands—and blueprints—of our time. Whether you’re dreaming big or building now, these are the conversations that will show you how it’s done (and what no one else tells you). 🔔 Subscribe now to get the blueprint for building your dream career Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

From teen drama star to angel investor, Sophia Bush joins Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni for an unfiltered conversation about building wealth, walking away from toxic systems, and making purpose profitable.In this episode of The Burnouts, Sophia reveals how a surprise $10,000 angel check into Uber kickstarted her investment journey—and how that single move led to millions. She opens up about the real economics of being a young actress, fighting for equal pay on One Tree Hill, and the dark side of working in Hollywood. Sophia also shares what it means to build power as a woman in business: launching inclusive salons, shaping the future of femtech, and helping fund America's first women-founded bank.She breaks down the difference between angel investing and venture, gives practical advice for women who want to build wealth without gatekeeping, and explains why doing good and doing well should never be mutually exclusive.Also: The best financial advice she’s ever received. 🕯️✨ USE CODE "BURNOUTS15" FOR 15% OFF YOUR ORDER ON THE LIMITED-EDITION PHLUR X THE BURNOUTS CANDLE → https://go.shopmy.us/p-18806798 ✨🕯️ 🔍 CHAPTERS1:20 – From aspiring heart surgeon to unexpected actress6:45 – The economics of young Hollywood13:00 – Building an inclusive salon in Detroit17:20 – Investing in Uber with $10K20:45 – The power of sweat equity25:30 – Femtech, abortion access & why periods matter30:15 – Talking money without shame34:00 – The group chat every woman needs 🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniSophia Bush 🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagram TikTok LinkedIn📲 Download the Phia app to start saving money.Subscribe to The Burnouts for bold, raw interviews with the thinkers, athletes, and founders redefining ambition. Hosted by Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni—former Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders—each episode dives into the unpolished truths of building a life and career that matters. This isn’t another founder podcast. It’s what building something in your 20s actually sounds like—unfiltered, in-progress, and a little bit chaotic. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Heiress, icon, mogul, mom—and the original influencer.In this episode of The Burnouts, Paris Hilton gets real with Phoebe and Sophia about turning a catchphrase into a global brand, the pain behind her activism, and why being underestimated was her greatest advantage.She opens up about creating the “dumb blonde” persona as a form of power, testifying before Congress as a survivor, and why she believes angel numbers (and small-town nerds) are the secret to everything. Plus: what it’s like running 30 businesses, parenting with purpose, and building 11:11 Media to bring it all together.This isn’t the Paris Hilton you think you know.Also: DJ paychecks, ADHD superpowers, and how to spot a fragile man. 🕯️✨ USE CODE "BURNOUTS15" FOR 15% OFF YOUR ORDER ON THE LIMITED-EDITION PHLUR X THE BURNOUTS CANDLE  ✨🕯️ 🔍 CHAPTERS1:45 – Inventing the “Paris Hilton” character5:00 – ADHD and the art of doing everything9:40 – Playing dumb, trademarking “That’s Hot”13:15 – From survivor to Capitol Hill18:00 – Why she’d never date a guy from LA20:45 – Paris' obsession with angel numbers24:00 – Advice for building a brand 🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniParis Hilton 🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedIn📲 Download the Phia app to start saving money: www.phia.comSubscribe to The Burnouts for bold, raw interviews with the thinkers, athletes, and founders redefining ambition. Hosted by Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni—former Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders—each episode dives into the unpolished truths of building a life and career that matters. This isn’t another founder podcast. It’s what building something in your 20s actually sounds like—unfiltered, in-progress, and a little bit chaotic. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

200,000 downloads. A tagline that finally made people “get it.” And a few hard lessons along the way.In this episode of The Burnouts, co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni unpack the marketing experiments that helped Phia find traction—from trial reels and creator guides to AI-generated scripts and TikTok reach campaigns. They share what worked, what didn’t, and what they’re still learning about building a brand from scratch.They also talk about the power of a clear metaphor (“Google Flights for fashion”), the pressure of launching on the same day as a major podcast appearance, and why community has been their most valuable asset.Also: how Kris Jenner got involved...📲 Download the Phia app to start saving money: www.phia.com🕯️✨ USE CODE "BURNOUTS15" FOR 15% OFF YOUR ORDER ON THE LIMITED-EDITION PHLUR X THE BURNOUTS CANDLE → https://go.shopmy.us/p-18806798 ✨🕯🔍 CHAPTERS2:00 – Launching Phia the same day as Call Her Daddy6:20 – Trial Reels: our low-cost growth engine8:45 – Our best-performing hook11:15 – TikTok flops, LinkedIn wins, and why Substack matters13:10 – The hack to community-building15:00 – How we use AI to write scripts that work17:30 – The SEO agency mistake we won’t make again19:10 – The "special sauce" in a marketing hire🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia Kianni🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedInSubscribe to The Burnouts for exclusive conversations with today’s top founders and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by former Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, this isn’t just another founder podcast—it’s untold conversations and the unfiltered reality of what it takes to build your dream career in your 20s.Guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and more visionaries defining the brands—and blueprints—of our time. Whether you’re dreaming big or building now, these are the conversations that will show you how it’s done (and what no one else tells you).🔔 Subscribe now to get the blueprint for building your dream career Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Olympic gold, Ivy League brains, supermodel looks—and still figuring it out.In this episode of The Burnouts, Olympic gold medalist, model, and Stanford student Eileen Gu joins Phoebe and Sophia for an unfiltered conversation about ambition, identity, and what happens after you’ve seemingly “made it.”Eileen opens up about her post-Olympic burnout, learning to sit with stillness after injury, and the pressure of being young, female, and hyper-visible on the world stage. From negotiating brand deals at 13 to being grilled about geopolitics at 18, she reflects on the emotional toll of public scrutiny—and the freedom of learning to define success on her own terms.She also shares how fashion gave her a new language for femininity, what solo travel taught her about self-worth, and why she’ll never apologize for being “the nerd who does everyone’s homework.” Also: the difference between a high-quality man and a fragile ego.  🕯️✨ USE CODE "BURNOUTS15" FOR 15% OFF YOUR ORDER ON OUR LIMITED-EDITION PHLUR X THE BURNOUTS CANDLE ✨🕯️  CHAPTERS2:10 – Post-Olympic depression is real4:45 – How she accidentally went pro6:55 – Negotiating for yourself, even if you're scared10:40 – Walking Victoria’s Secret and staying true to your values13:15 – Becoming a cultural bridge—not picking a side17:35 – Why smart women scare fragile men26:00 – Glorifying suffering is not a flex28:55 – Nerd alert: physics made her a better skier35:40 – Injury, identity, and learning to rest FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniEileen Gu FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagram TikTokLinkedIn 📲 Download the Phia app to start saving money: www.phia.com Subscribe to The Burnouts for bold, raw interviews with the thinkers, athletes, and founders redefining ambition. Hosted by Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni—former Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders—each episode dives into the unpolished truths of building a life and career that matters. This isn’t another founder podcast. It’s what building something in your 20s actually sounds like—unfiltered, in-progress, and a little bit chaotic. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

What if your side hustle made you a millionaire—and taught millions of women how to become one too?In this episode of The Burnouts, Vivian Tu (@Your.RichBFF) joins Phoebe and Sophia to unpack the story behind her Wall Street-to-TikTok glow-up, the money myths that hold women back, and how she’s rewriting financial literacy for a new generation.Vivian opens up about surviving workplace racism, being your office’s unofficial 401(k) whisperer, and building a media empire that started with one viral video—and became a New York Times bestselling book, a chart-topping podcast, and a full-time career.She also shares the real talk behind her relationship: who paid more rent, how German cockroaches accidentally fast-tracked her move-in, and why every couple should go on “dessert walks.”Also: the genius trick to automating your savings without even thinking about it.❤️✨ USE CODE "BURNOUTS15" FOR 15% OFF YOUR ORDER ON THE LIMITED-EDITION PHLUR X THE BURNOUTS CANDLE  ✨❤️🔍 CHAPTERS1:02 – Why dating gets harder when women get more successful4:55 – How to actually budget (no spreadsheets, no shame)8:00 – What to do with your first paycheck13:50 – Getting pushed out of Wall Street—and finding a new path18:20 – When to quit your job for your side hustle30:55 – Talking about money in relationships (without making it weird) 🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniVivian Tu🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedin 📖 Read Rich AF🎧 Listen to Networth and Chill📲 Download the Phia app to start saving money Subscribe to The Burnouts for exclusive interviews with the thinkers, founders, and creatives shaping culture and business today. As former Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni bring rare access and real curiosity to every guest—cutting through the noise to get to what actually matters. It’s not just another founder podcast. This is what building in your 20s really looks like—unscripted, in-progress, and surprisingly honest. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

❤️✨ USE CODE "BURNOUTS15" FOR 15% OFF YOUR ORDER ON THE LIMITED-EDITION PHLUR X THE BURNOUTS CANDLE  ✨❤️What if heartbreak was the beginning of your empire?In this episode of The Burnouts, entrepreneur and creative director Chriselle Lim sits down with Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni to unpack how she went from TikTok’s “rich mom” to co-owning Phlur, a $100M+ fragrance brand.From the ashes of burnout and divorce, Chriselle rebuilt her life—and helped reshape how fragrance is built, branded, and sold. She shares the story behind Missing Person (the perfume with a 250K waitlist that changed everything) and how reinvention became her real superpower. Also: the bamboo tree metaphor that will stick with you forever.📲 Download the Phia app to start saving → www.join.phia.com🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniChriselle LimPhlur🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedin 📲 Download the Phia app to start saving money while you shop today.About The BurnoutsAs former Stanford roommates turned startup founders, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni are building more than a business—they’re building a bold new conversation. The Burnouts dives into the chaos of creation, covering everything from personal reinvention and product meltdowns to friendship, finances, and fear. With top guests like Kris Jenner, Danielle Guizio, and Whitney Wolfe Herd, this is your behind-the-scenes playbook for building on your own terms. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

What if your first investment was a $400 tax refund and a tape measure? In this episode of The Burnouts, fashion founder Danielle Guizio sits down with Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni to talk about turning side hustles into global brands, learning leadership the hard way, and why your iPhone might be your most powerful marketing tool.Danielle opens up about recovering from surgery, walking garbage bags of orders to USPS, and getting duped on TikTok. She shares the strategy behind her $2M Black Friday breakthrough, why she still fits every sample herself, and how she built a viral fashion empire with no design experience, no car, and no connections—just a deep belief that she could figure it out.Also: negotiating in Chinatown at 13, selling out with zero ads, and what she really looks for in a résumé (hint: it’s not your school).Chapters1:10 – $400, no car, and a dream5:45 – Getting duped and going viral anyway10:12 – Negotiation school and hiring red flags13:48 – Why she still works the retail floor16:00 – Instagram as your magazine21:35 – How she got Kylie Jenner and Dua Lipa in her clothes24:18 – What she actually looks for in a hire28:55 – Advice for every girl with a side hustleFollow usPhoebe GatesSophia KianniDanielle Guizio & the Guizio brandFollow The BurnoutsInstagramTikTokLinkedinSubscribe for more raw, unfiltered convos with iconic leaders, founders, and disruptors who are building what’s next (and burning down what’s not).📲 Download the Phia app to start saving money at www.join.phia.comAbout The BurnoutsAs former Stanford roommates turned startup founders, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni are building more than a business—they’re building a bold new conversation. The Burnouts dives into the chaos of creation, covering everything from VC pitches and product meltdowns to friendship, finance, and fear. With top guests like Danielle Guizio, Kris Jenner, and Whitney Wolfe Herd, this is your behind-the-scenes playbook for building on your own terms. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

What if the next billion-dollar startup isn’t built by 1,000 employees—but by 30, powered by AI? In this episode of The Burnouts, Bumble founder and CEO Whitney Wolfe Herd sits down with Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni to talk about building lean, trusting your gut, burning out, and why she believes AI will totally reshape how companies scale.Whitney opens up about hiring mistakes that nearly broke Bumble, the myth of hustle culture, why listening to “grown-ups in suits” set her back, and how legacy tech is holding companies hostage. She shares her evolved vision for Bumble, her personal burnout recovery, and why she now swears by smaller teams, smarter tech, and protecting your energy like it’s cash.Also: surprise-and-delight growth hacks, ego death, and what she really thinks about ROI-driven marketing.Chapters1:02 – She built Bumble. But at what cost?5:11 – Why hiring “adults in suits” backfired8:42 – Scaling smart: fewer people, better results13:08 – AI, apps, and the future of building16:30 – Burnout, ego death, and coming back stronger22:14 – Bumble’s early growth hacks (inflatable bees, anyone?)27:49 – Friendship-first is the next dating revolution30:45 – Mentorship, motherhood & knowing when to say noFollow us:Phoebe GatesSophia KianniWhitney Wolfe HerdFollow The Burnouts:InstagramLinkedinTikTokSubscribe for more raw, unfiltered convos with iconic women and disruptors who are building what’s next—and burning down what’s not.Download the Phia app to start saving money at www.join.phia.comAbout The BurnoutsAs former Stanford roommates and now business partners, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni share their experience as startup founders and the chaos of building something new—covering everything from pitching VCs to maintaining friendships, decoding financial literacy, and finding power in female-driven storytelling. With candid conversations and top guests (like Kris Jenner and Sara Blakely), The Burnouts is your go-to for smart, hilarious, and sometimes chaotic advice on how to build your career on your own terms. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

What do you do when the world tells you to tone it down? If you’re Chelsea Handler, you turn up the volume—on confidence, career, and comedy. In this unapologetic and hilarious episode of The Burnouts, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni sit down with the legendary comedian and bestselling author who’s built an empire on not giving a f***. They talk through confidence myths, investor pitch chaos, stand-up breakthroughs, and why Chelsea bought her ex 35 trees. Also: why burnout might actually be your breakthrough. Chapters1:22 – were you always this confident?6:14 – how to say no (and mean it)11:02 – kids, career, and confidence clashes15:00 – real estate, financial freedom & female power21:06 – mushrooms with your landscaper & other business lessons25:45 – dating while dominating30:12 – women, work, and not shrinking yourself Follow usPhoebe GatesSophia KianniChelsea Handler Follow The BurnoutsYoutube @theburnoutspodcastInstagram @theburnoutsTikTok: @theburnoutsLinkedIn: /the-burnouts Subscribe for more bold convos with iconic women, founders, and disruptors who are burning down old systems and building what’s next.Download the Phia app to start saving money at join.phia.com About the BurnoutsAs former Stanford roommates and now business partners, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni share their experience as startup founders and the chaos of building something new—covering everything from pitching VCs to maintaining friendships, decoding financial literacy, and finding power in female-driven storytelling. With candid conversations and top guests (like Kris Jenners and Sara Blakely), The Burnouts is your go-to for smart, hilarious, and sometimes chaotic advice on how to build your career on your own terms. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of The Burnouts, Sophia Kianni and Phoebe Gates sit down with entrepreneurial icon and Spanx founder Sara Blakely to talk mindset, manifestation, and the messy truth of building something from scratch. Whether you're navigating your first job, launching a startup, or still waiting for a sign from the universe—this one’s for you.We go deep on everything from building confidence as a woman in business, to manifesting million-dollar ideas (literally), to knowing when to quit, pivot, or fire the “genius” that’s ruining your team dynamic. Sara shares stories she’s never told before—like the exact mindset hack that led to Spanx, the real reason she sold her company, and the crazy specific sign she asked the universe for. 🔖 CHAPTERS0:00 – Why we called Sara before we even had a product2:10 – Sara’s Secret Weapon Since She Was 1614:00 – Signs from the universe (including one from Oprah)18:30 – Hiring Wrong, Firing Fast, and Learning the Hard Way29:00 – Why High Heels Haven’t Changed in 300 Years (Until Now)36:45 – Sara is paying people to buy her shoes?!?38:00 – Sara’s Wildest Hustle StoriesAbout the BurnoutsAs former Stanford roommates and now business partners, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni share their experience as startup founders and the complexities of being young professionals—from financial literacy, social impact, and navigating networking (ever been hit on through LinkedIn?). With exclusive access to top experts, they offer an inside look at their chaotic lives alongside career insights from their network of thought leaders. Watch The Burnouts pursue their dreams while trying to keep their lives from going up in flames. Will they burn out? We’ll find out. 🔗 FOLLOW USThe BurnoutsPhoebe GatesSophia KianniSara Blakely Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Feeling lost in the chaos of the economy right now? Same. Between inflation, tariffs, and TikTok panic, it feels like we’re all one iced coffee away from a full-blown recession spiral.In this episode of The Burnouts, Sophia Kianni and Phoebe Gates call in financial dominatrix Haley Sacks — aka @MrsDowJones — for a much-needed crash course in surviving your first economic downturn. We talk Roth IRAs, recession anxiety, index funds, investing FOMO, and why press-on nails might just be the ultimate economic indicator.Whether you’re getting your first paycheck, trying to start investing, or just wondering WTF to do with your money, this episode is for you.💸 It’s funny. It’s practical. And it might just change your financial future. 🔖 CHAPTERS0:00 – Our first economic freakout2:15 – Should we actually be scared?5:20 – The only money moves that matter right now9:45 – Haley’s worst investment ever13:00 – Roth IRAs, index funds & investing without crying17:20 – Budgeting when your paycheck hits21:10 – Renting, home buying, and financial hot takes 📚 RESOURCES Free Emergency Fund PlannerInvestment Returns Calculator3 Index Funds We LoveFree Customized Money PlanMoney Book 2.0Investing 101& more HERE! Mrs. Dow Jones Instagram & Newsletter 🔗 FOLLOW US@theburnouts@phoebegates@sophiakianni@mrsdowjones Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

What do you do when someone tells you no? If you’re Kris Jenner, you walk into the scheduling office with a tray of brownies and figure it out anyway. In this episode, Phoebe and Sophia sit down with the iconic woman who turned “figure it out” into her mom-ager lifestyle. They talk about early jobs, showing up before you feel ready, and what it really takes to launch something that matters. Also: why your car interior might be ruining your life.Chapters1:12 – restaurants in the sky?5:04 – business rizz 10110:01 – doing things your way (and making them work)16:45 – vintage, resale, and why clean cars matter21:20 - advice for young women + why Kris invested in PhiaMeet the Hosts 🎙️Phoebe GatesSophia KianniFollow The BurnoutsInstagramTikTokLinkedInJoin the Phia waitlist at phia.comAbout the BurnoutsAs former Stanford roommates and now business partners, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni share their experience as startup founders and the complexities of being young professionals—from financial literacy, social impact, and navigating networking (ever been hit on through LinkedIn?). With exclusive access to top experts, they offer an inside look at their chaotic lives alongside career insights from their network of thought leaders. Watch The Burnouts pursue their dreams while trying to keep their lives from going up in flames. Will they burn out? We’ll find out. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Bluetooth tampons, fake assistants, and maxing out on LinkedIn mail credits? That’s entrepreneurship for ya. Phoebe and Sophia are best friends who turned their Stanford dorm room conversations into a business partnership. They’re here to share the good, bad, and ugly parts of founding a company together.  Chapters0:00 - welcome to The Burnouts0:36 - how we became friends2:37 - the Stanford cheating ring8:16 - Sophia’s FAKE assistant11:17 - a bluetooth tampon??17:21 - the day phia was born20:12 - the go-giver mindset and spam messaging25:40 - why we started the podcast Meet the Hosts🎙️Phoebe GatesSophia Kianni Join the Phia waitlist at phia.com About the BurnoutsAs former Stanford roommates and now business partners, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni share their experience as startup founders and the complexities of being young professionals—from financial literacy, social impact, and navigating networking (ever been hit on through LinkedIn?). With exclusive access to top experts, they offer an inside look at their chaotic lives alongside career insights from their network of thought leaders. Watch The Burnouts pursue their dreams while trying to keep their lives from going up in flames. Will they burn out? We’ll find out. SocialsInstagramTikTokLinkedIn Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Burnout is real—and building your career while figuring out who you are? Even harder. Enter The Burnouts: Join best friends Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni as they try to launch their first company and make sense of the chaos that is a career in your 20s.They’re not pretending to have all the answers—but they’re asking the people who just might. Sophia and Phoebe sit down with guests who’ve actually made it to talk candidly about careers, ambition, burnout, and everything they wish they knew sooner.Whether you’re navigating your first job, thinking about a big pivot, or just trying to survive Monday, The Burnouts is here to keep it real. New episodes every Tuesday. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.