A Club You Don't Want To Be In with Joan Vassos, Kathy Swarts, and Michael Allio
A Club You Don't Want To Be In with Joan Vassos, Kathy Swarts, and Michael Allio  
Podcast: Rogue Energy
Published On: Thu Jul 02 2026
Description: Bachelor Nation favorites Joan Vassos, Kathy Swarts, and Michael Allio are all members of the club no one wants to be in - they’ve all lost a spouse.    The three discuss processing grief, balancing parenthood with loss, and finding love in chapter two.   Plus, we hear about Michael’s new children’s book, Where The Wild Heart Grows, and its powerful message!   Email us at: IDOPOD@iheartradio.com or call us at 844-4-I Do Pod (844-443-6763)Follow I Do, Part 2 on Instagram and TikTokSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.