UGO09: Playing the Players in a Narrative Market ft. Ben Hunt
UGO09: Playing the Players in a Narrative Market ft. Ben Hunt  
Podcast: Top Traders Unplugged
Published On: Wed Feb 04 2026
Description: Cem Karsan sits down with Ben Hunt, founder of Epsilon Theory, to explore how narratives shape markets, politics, and decision making itself. Drawing on decades of experience across academia, hedge funds, and applied AI, Ben explains why stories, not data, increasingly drive outcomes in modern markets. The conversation spans unstructured data, inference, common knowledge, and the mechanics of narrative momentum. Together, they examine consumer expectations, inflation silence, geopolitical signaling, and the slow shift away from US dominance. What emerges is a framework for understanding markets as reflexive systems, where perception often matters more than reality.-----50 YEARS OF TREND FOLLOWING BOOK AND BEHIND-THE-SCENES VIDEO FOR ACCREDITED INVESTORS - CLICK HERE-----Follow Niels on Twitter, LinkedIn, YouTube or via the TTU website.IT’s TRUE ? – most CIO’s read 50+ books each year – get your FREE copy of the Ultimate Guide to the Best Investment Books ever written here.And you can get a free copy of my latest book “Ten Reasons to Add Trend Following to Your Portfolio” here.Learn more about the Trend Barometer here.Send your questions to info@toptradersunplugged.comAnd please share this episode with a like-minded friend and leave an honest Rating & Review on iTunes or Spotify so more people can discover the podcast.Follow Cem on Twitter.Episode TimeStamps: 00:00 - Introduction to U Got Options and the trading floor setting02:18 - Ben Hunt’s background and Epsilon Theory origins04:11 - Markets as the ultimate multiplayer game06:15 - Inference, unstructured data, and narrative analysis08:18 - Why sentiment and word counts miss the real signal11:16 - Mapping meaning and truthy stories15:00 - LLMs as operating systems, not oracles18:01 - Giving money back and when models stop working21:16 - Applying narrative tools beyond markets24:10 - Consumer weakness versus bullish expectations30:43 - Inflation, recession, and why markets do not care33:29 - Dormant stories and volatility discovery34:26 - The sell America narrative and capital flows40:05 - Common knowledge and reflexivity45:44 - Regime change, multipolarity, and narrative dominanceCopyright © 2025 – CMC AG – All Rights Reserved----PLUS: Whenever you're ready... here are 3 ways I can help you in your investment Journey:1. eBooks that cover key topics that you need to know about In my eBooks, I put together some key discoveries and things I have learnt during the more than 3 decades I have worked in the Trend Following industry, which I hope you will find useful. Click Here2. Daily Trend Barometer and Market Score One of the things I’m really proud of, is the fact that I have managed to published the Trend Barometer and Market Score each day for more than a decade...as these tools are really good at describing the environment for trend following managers as well as giving insights into the general positioning of a trend following strategy! Click Here3. Other Resources that can help youAnd if you are hungry for more useful resources from the trend following world...check out some precious resources that I have found over the years to be really valuable. Click HerePrivacy PolicyDisclaimer