I Just Can't Communicate With the Business. I've Tried Condescension AND Derision.
I Just Can't Communicate With the Business. I've Tried Condescension AND Derision.  
Podcast: CISO Series Podcast
Published On: Tue Aug 19 2025
Description: All links and images can be found on CISO Series. This week's episode is hosted by me, David Spark, producer of CISO Series and Andy Ellis (@csoandy), principal of Duha. Joining us is Gary Chan, CISO, SSM Health. Be sure to check out Gary's security mentalism website: https://www.gschan2000.com. In this episode: Decision-making with incomplete information Translation beats technical expertise Influence trumps authority for CISOs Technical prowess creates adversaries Huge thanks to our sponsor, Vanta Automate, centralize, & scale your GRC program with Vanta. Vanta's Trust Management Platform automates key areas of your GRC program—including compliance, internal and third-party risk, and customer trust—and streamlines the way you gather and manage information. And the impact is real: A recent IDC analysis found that compliance teams using Vanta are 129% more productive. Get started at Vanta.com/ciso.