Black-ish Creator Kenya Barris On Turning Down A $100 Million Netflix Deal, The Cost of Success & Curiosity As A Superpower With Malcolm Gladwell
Podcast: The Rich Roll PodcastPublished On: Thu Oct 01 2026
Description: Malcolm Gladwell is a journalist and bestselling author. Kenya Barris is a writer, producer, and the creator of Black-ish. Together they host the Audible Original podcast The Unusual Suspects. This conversation explores opposite approaches to storytelling. Kenya mines his own life, while Malcolm leaves his out entirely. We discuss Kenya's Inglewood upbringing, finding your voice, Richard Pryor walking off a Vegas stage, the $100 million Netflix deal Kenya walked away from, the shifting tectonic plates of media, and more. These two are a treat together. Enjoy! Show notes + MORE Watch on YouTube Newsletter Sign-Up Today’s Sponsors: WHOOP: Join now and get one month free👉🏼https://www.join.whoop.com/Roll Rivian: Electric vehicles that keep the world adventurous forever👉🏼https://stories.rivian.com/richroll Go Brewing: Get 50% OFF your first subscription order to Go Brewing's Beer Club👉🏼https://www.gobrewing.com/richroll50 Check out all of the amazing discounts from our Sponsors👉🏼https://www.richroll.com/sponsors Find out more about Voicing Change Media at https://www.voicingchange.media and follow us @voicingchange Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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