LIMITLESS - Dwarkesh Patel: The Scaling Era of AI is Here
LIMITLESS - Dwarkesh Patel: The Scaling Era of AI is Here  
Podcast: Bankless
Published On: Tue Jul 29 2025
Description: Is intelligence just compute plus data? And if so... what happens next? In this episode, Dwarkesh Patel, host of one of the most respected AI podcasts and author of “The Scaling Era”, joins us to break down the exponential rise of artificial intelligence. We explore how scaling laws became the engine behind modern models, why AI still can’t learn on the job, and whether we’re truly on the brink of AGI. From coding to consciousness, from geopolitics to governance, Dwarkesh shares a grounded but urgent perspective on what it means to live through the transition and how we might prepare for what’s coming. ------ 💫 LIMITLESS | SUBSCRIBE & FOLLOW https://limitless.bankless.com/ https://x.com/LimitlessFT ------ BANKLESS SPONSOR TOOLS: 🪙FRAX | SELF SUFFICIENT DeFi https://bankless.cc/Frax 🦄UNISWAP | SWAP ON UNICHAIN https://bankless.cc/unichain 🛞MANTLE | MODULAR LAYER 2 NETWORK https://bankless.cc/Mantle 🟠BINANCE | THE WORLDS #1 CRYPTO EXCHANGE https://bankless.cc/binance 🦎COINGECKO API | REAL-TIME CRYPTO PRICE & MARKET DATA https://bankless.cc/coingecko ------ TIMESTAMPS 0:00 Intro 6:59 What Is the Scaling Era? 9:31 Compute + Data = Intelligence? 15:08 Are We Building God? 17:57 The Catalyst: Discovering the Scaling Laws 20:54 Model Capabilities 24:35 Why Coding Is the AI Frontier 31:43 What AIs Still Can’t Do 36:26 AI Isn’t Around the Corner 46:01 Is AI Really Smart? 50:54 Inside the Black Box 54:46 AI Safety and Alignment 1:03:49 Who Controls the Models? 1:08:16 Swiss Cheese Safety & Liberal AI 1:19:30 Scaling Inputs: Energy, Compute, Data 1:26:40 Jobs, Growth & the Intelligence Curse 1:32:07 Why 60% AGI by 2040? 1:36:14 Dwarkesh’s Personal View ------ RESOURCES Dwarkesh Patel https://x.com/dwarkesh_sp Dwarkesh’s Book https://www.amazon.com/Scaling-Era-Oral-History-2019-2025/dp/1953953557 Dwarkesh’s Podcast https://www.dwarkesh.com/ ------ Not financial or tax advice. See our investment disclosures here: https://www.bankless.com/disclosures⁠