(Part 1/4) On a Friday afternoon in Tampa, 18-year-old Devon Arthurs walks into an apartment leasing office and says “I just killed two people.” Those two: his roommates...young men caught in the grip of online radicalization. What follows is a hostage standoff, a web of neo-Nazi ideology,and the unraveling of a case that exposes the violent underbelly of American extremism. Hosted by Andrew Iden, this episode of DEVIANT examines how ordinary lives spiral into hate, how the internet fuels extremist communities and how one murder case reveals the very real dangers lurking in plain sight. 🔎 New episodes weekly. Subscribe now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen. 👉 Subscribe for more deep-dive true crime conversations: https://www.youtube.com/@deviant.podcast 👉 Support the show + get exclusive content: www.deviantpodcast.com 👉 Follow us on TikTok & Instagram: @deviantdopodcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Being punished for crimes you haven’t committed yet sounds like Minority Report. But in 15 states—including California—it’s the law. Under the Sexually Violent Predator Act (SVP), offenders who’ve already served their time can be held indefinitely if experts believe they’re likely to reoffend. In this episode of DEVIANT: Off Script, host Dan Szematowicz sits down with Dr. Samantha Stein, forensic psychologist and author of Evil at Our Table: Inside the Minds of the Monsters Who Live Among Us. Dr. Stein is one of the few evaluators trusted to decide whether violent sexual offenders should be involuntarily hospitalized after release. We dive into: How the SVP program actually works—and why it’s so controversial. The cases of “Joe” and “Luke Miller,” two offenders whose outcomes highlight the tension between public safety and civil liberties. The emotional toll of sitting across from serial predators—and why treating them can sometimes feel like prevention work. The broader questions society faces when deciding how to deal with people who’ve committed unthinkable crimes. It’s a rare, unflinching look inside a system that blurs the line between justice and prediction. Samantha Stein’s book, Evil at Our Table, is available wherever books are sold, including here: https://a.co/d/c7huoJB 👉 Subscribe for more deep-dive true crime conversations: https://www.youtube.com/@deviant.podcast 👉 Support the show + get exclusive content: www.deviantpodcast.com 👉 Follow us on TikTok & Instagram: @deviantdopodcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Former ATF agent Jay Dobyns spent 27 years undercover, from Waco and Columbine to infiltrating the Hell’s Angels in Operation Black Biscuit. In this Off Script conversation, he tells hosts Dan Szematowicz and Andrew Iden what it takes to live inside America’s most violent worlds—and survive. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Anthony Sowell terrorized Cleveland’s Mount Pleasant neighborhood in the late 2000s. A convicted rapist and registered sex offender, he went unnoticed for years—even as neighbors complained about a foul stench they thought came from the sausage factory next door. By the time police finally acted, 11 women were gone. Hosts Dan Szematowicz and Andrew Iden take you inside Sowell’s house of horrors. From the overlooked red flags to the night a woman leapt from his attic window, this is the story of how one man preyed on a neglected community—and how authorities failed to stop him. This case isn’t just about a serial killer. It’s about ignored warnings, systemic failure, and the lives of Black women who deserved better. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Former cop, detective and firearms instructor Glen Williams sits down with host Andrew Iden to talk about what the job really does to people—and how to survive it. This is a candid conversation about trauma (on the street, at home, and inside the chain of command), the cases that stick with you, and why talking about it might be the only way through. If you work in law enforcement, EMS, fire, dispatch—or you cover crime—you’ll feel this one. GET GLEN'S BOOK: https://a.co/d/3cL2kgw IN THIS EPISODE: How a beat cop becomes a detective—and what actually makes a good one “Leadership trauma” vs. “relationship trauma” vs. “experiential trauma” Nightmares, gallows humor, overworking, and the slow creep of PTSD What departments get right (and wrong) about “officer wellness” Why community rapport solves cases The most realistic cop shows (yes, NYPD Blue gets love) ABOUT THE GUEST: Glen Williams is a retired law enforcement officer (patrol, detectives, firearms/SWAT instructor). He wrote Bridging the Gap about mental health in policing and appears in the documentary Is There Something Going On at Home? Find the book on major retailers. JOIN THE CONVERSATION: If you’re LEO/first responder/journalist: How do you cope—and what actually helps? Drop your tools, routines, or resources below. We’ll highlight thoughtful replies. SUPPORT & RESOURCES: If you or someone you know is struggling, please reach out to a qualified professional or local peer-support resources. NEW HERE? Subscribe for long-form, straight-talk conversations about crime, policing, and the people inside the system. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ever wonder what private investigators really do when the cameras aren’t rolling? Forget the Hollywood clichés—no wiretaps, no lockpicks, no magic gadgets. In this episode, host Andrew Iden and veteran PI Ken Childs pulls back the curtain on the realities of surveillance, insurance fraud cases, missing persons, and the risks of being spotted in the field. From tense stakeouts in Beverly Hills to dangerous encounters in bad neighborhoods, Childs shares 27 years of experience tracking cheaters, scammers, and fraudsters across Los Angeles. He also reveals how new technology—Ring cams, social media, and open-source intelligence—has completely changed the game for private investigators. Whether you’re fascinated by true crime, curious about the PI world, or just want to know how close TV shows come to the truth, this episode will keep you hooked. 👉 What do you think—are private investigators properly understood? Do they deserve more credit for the risks they take? Drop your thoughts in the comments. GET KEN'S BOOK ON BEING A PI: https://a.co/d/idYQqlI JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Co-host Andrew Iden sits down with James A. Gagliano — West Point grad, former FBI Hostage Rescue Team operator, undercover agent, and two-term mayor — for a no-BS debrief on what the job really takes and how the mission shifted after 9/11. If you care about organized crime, counterterrorism, and the reality of modern policing, this one delivers. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Join Dan Szematowicz and Andrew Iden as they discuss recent updates in the cases they've been following, including the Devil's Den murders in Arkansas. The hosts share their thoughts on various policing strategies, polygraph use and extremism. Listen for insightful commentary and updates on ongoing investigations, and find out what's coming next on all things DEVIANT. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You've been conned, and now you're getting revenge. That's the story of Johnathan Walton, our guest on DEVIANT Off Script. In this episode, Johnathan shares his harrowing experience of being swindled out of nearly $100,000 by a professional con artist who pretended to be his best friend. After years of investigation, he's now dedicated to exposing these scammers and protecting others. He's the author of 'Anatomy of a Con Artist' and shares the vital red flags you need to watch out for so you don't end up a victim. Listen for valuable lessons, and Johnathan's incredible journey to justice. GET JOHNATHAN'S BOOK HERE: https://johnathanwalton.com/ JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast READ THE HAPPINESS EXPERIMENT: ⁠⁠https://go.happinessexperiment.com/begin-aff-o2?am_id=podcast2025&utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=michael⁠⁠ Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On a summer afternoon hike in Arkansas' Devil's Den State Park, tragedy strikes a family when Clinton and Cristin Brink are attacked in front of their children. The children survive. Their parents don't. The assailant: a mysterious man dressed in black. This episode of 'Deviant' brings you the details of the crime, the immediate police response and the intense manhunt that ensues. Host Dan Szematowicz explores the discovery and arrest of suspect Andrew James McGann, his alleged confession, and the evidence police say links him to the murders. As the investigation unfolds, we dig into the suspect's background, the seemingly random nature of the attack, and consider unsettling possibilities about his past. Join us as we chase the truth into the dark corners of what humans are capable of, and keep you updated on this heartbreaking case. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast READ THE HAPPINESS EXPERIMENT: ⁠⁠https://go.happinessexperiment.com/begin-aff-o2?am_id=podcast2025&utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=michael⁠⁠ Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

LISTENER DISCRETION ADVISED In this episode of Deviant Off Script, host Andrew Iden engages in a deep and intense conversation with Clark Fredericks, author of 'Scarred.' Fredericks recounts his harrowing journey of surviving childhood sexual abuse, and the impactful decision to confront and ultimately kill his abuser. He delves into the psychological and emotional turmoil that ensued, his struggles with substance abuse, and his path through the legal system. Fredericks also discusses his process of healing and transformation into a motivational speaker and advocate, aiming to help others overcome their trauma. This episode provides a raw and honest examination of the complexities of confronting one's past, and seeking justice on one's own terms. GET CLARK'S INCREDIBLE BOOK: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Scarred/Clark-Fredericks/9781668018651 JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast READ THE HAPPINESS EXPERIMENT: ⁠⁠https://go.happinessexperiment.com/begin-aff-o2?am_id=podcast2025&utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=michael⁠⁠ Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Deviant Summer School, host Andrew Iden sits down with Michael Yoder, a former agent in the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit (BAU), here to explain how criminal profiling actually works. From dispelling Hollywood misconceptions to discussing the intricate process of developing profiles, Yoder provides an in-depth look into how the BAU operates in reality. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We're diving dive deep into the world of polygraphs, interrogations, and lie detection with Brad Beeler, a former Secret Service agent with 25 years of experience. Brad shares insights from his illustrious career in protective services and polygraph examination, including the science behind polygraphs, how investigators use them to detect truth and practical strategies from his new book, 'Tell Me Everything.' Learn how to read body language, decode social cues, and understand the emotional impact of working with criminals. Whether you're negotiating at a car dealership or navigating personal relationships, Brad's expertise will make you more adept at spotting deception and communicating effectively. GET BRAD'S BOOK HERE: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Tell-Me-Everything/Brad-Beeler/9781637748428 JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast READ THE HAPPINESS EXPERIMENT: ⁠https://go.happinessexperiment.com/begin-aff-o2?am_id=podcast2025&utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=michael⁠ Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Have you ever wondered how police handle a missing child case? In this episode of Deviant Summer School, retired detective Jeff Bell, who worked for the Sarasota County Sheriff's Office, shares his experiences and insights. He discusses his involvement in the high-profile Carlie Brucia case, the investigative process behind missing child cases and the emotional challenges faced by detectives. Jeff also provides an in-depth look at the role of family dynamics, the coordination required among agencies, and the use of Amber Alerts and technology in solving these cases. Join us for an authentic inside look at what goes on behind the scenes in missing child investigations. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

(AUDIO ONLY) How do you catch a spy if you're an FBI counterintelligence agent? In this episode of Deviant Off Script, we dive into the 80-year cat-and-mouse game of espionage. Host Dan Szematowicz interviews LaRae Quy, a former FBI agent who spent almost 25 years protecting the U.S. from Russian and Chinese spies. LaRae shares stories from her career, discusses the evolution of counterintelligence through the fall of the Soviet Union and post-9/11 era, and provides insights into mental toughness and resilience. It's a conversation about espionage, intelligence work, and the complexities of national security. CONNECT WITH LARAE HERE: https://www.linkedin.com/in/larae-quy-63b44512/ TAKE THE MENTAL TOUGHNESS ASSESSMENT: https://laraequy.com/ JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

(PART 2/2) In Part 2 of our DEVIANT Summer School class on homicide investigations, retired Chicago Police homicide Detective Mike Hammond takes us through the intricate process of catching killers. From establishing motive and gathering evidence to working with prosecutors and navigating the complexities of cold cases, Mike shares his extensive experience and insights. He discusses the challenges of dealing with victims' families, the importance of physical evidence, and the crucial role of DNA in solving old cases. Learn about the realities and nuances of homicide investigations, and hear stories from Mike, who has solved hundreds of homicide cases. MIKE'S SHOW AND INFO: https://www.detectivestory.net/ JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, host Andrew Iden talks with Jacob Moon, a US Army veteran and former corrections officer who has transitioned into a true crime writer. Jacob shares his journey from serving in the military to accidentally finding a career in corrections, the challenges and dangers of working behind bars, and the importance of respect and restraint in dealing with inmates. He also discusses how his structured and disciplined background influenced his writing career and his latest book, 'Letter 26', which explores the mind of a serial killer. GET JACOB'S BOOKS: https://writerjake.com JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

(PART 1/2) It's Deviant Summer School's deep dive into the world of homicide investigations. Featuring former Chicago homicide detective Mike Hammond, part one of of a two part exploration covers the initial phases of an investigation—from receiving the call and processing the crime scene to gathering critical evidence and interviewing witnesses. Learn about the meticulous steps detectives take within the crucial first few days and get a unique insight into the realities of solving homicides in one of America's busiest cities. MIKE'S SHOW AND INFO: https://www.detectivestory.net/ JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

From Ted Bundy to Gary Ridgeway, why does the Pacific Northwest produce so many serial killers? Join host Dan Szematowicz as he sits down with Pulitzer Prize winner Caroline Fraser, author of 'Murderland: Crime and Bloodlust in the Time of Serial Killers,' to try and unravel this bizarre mystery. Caroline and Dan delve into theories, including the lead-crime hypothesis, geographical oddities and our societal obsession with serial killers. Also, they explore the fascinating and eerie connections between environment, crime, and our darker curiosities. GET CAROLINE'S BOOK HERE: https://www.carolinefraser.net/ JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Join us as we kick off our new series, Deviant Summer School, where we bring experts to give in-depth insights into their fields. In this first episode, we talk to Dr. Darrin Porcher, a criminal justice expert with over 20 years in the NYPD. They explore the intricacies of policing in America, discussing geographical differences, crime statistics, the Broken Window Theory, and the daily challenges faced by officers and detectives. This episode provides a comprehensive overview of how policing functions and the critical issues it faces today. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Former FBI agent Jerri Williams shares her extensive career spent catching scammers, con artists, and fraudsters. Williams discusses her unexpected path to the FBI, the challenges she faced as a minority and a woman in the bureau, and her notable cases, including an intriguing credit extortion investigation. She also delves into her endeavors post-retirement, including her work as an author and prolific podcaster, and her collaborative efforts with Hollywood to bring authentic FBI stories to the screen. Join the fascinating conversation and learn about the real-life experiences behind the badge. FIND ALL THINGS JERRI HERE: https://jerriwilliams.com/ JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In a quiet suburb of Utah, a Mormon man killed his wife, before committing suicide. Multiple neighbors described them as a normal couple whom they had never seen quarrel. But this isn't a whodunit. The police investigation never wavered on who committed the crime. The question is, why? Why did the lives of this seemingly normal couple end in such tragic fashion. Finding the answers will take us from Catholic Italian New Jersey to a very non-Mormon lifestyle in Los Angeles to a funeral in Florida. And we'll learn the answers from many woman, living around the country, all of whom felt like they were the victim's best friend. Check out My Best Friends Killer, wherever you get your podcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The person sitting next to you on the plane may be armed, and that's not a bad thing. In this episode of DEVIANT Off Script, host Dan Szematowicz delves into the secretive world of Federal Air Marshals with David Londo, President of the Air Marshal National Council. David shares his journey from a local police officer to becoming an air marshal post-9/11 and provides insights into the rigorous selection and training process. They discuss the history of air marshals, the changes in roles post-9/11, and the chaos and challenges in air travel post-pandemic. David also shares a gripping story from 2005 about a scary incident handled by air marshals. Tune in to learn more about the unseen guardians of the skies and their crucial role in ensuring the safety of air travel. GET DAVID'S FILM HERE; https://www.primevideo.com/detail/0POSRZCGAQQIG1FIYK4XX8MM21/ref=atv_dp_share_cu_r JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Join Deviant host Dan Szematowicz for a conversation with Dr. Leah Kaylor, a psychologist and sleep specialist at the FBI. Dr. Kaylor shares a wealth of practical tips to enhance your sleep quality, from establishing relaxing bedtime routines to understanding the impact of body temperature and exercise. Learn how she helps FBI agents and law enforcement staff cope with trauma and sleep disturbances. Discover innovative techniques like EMDR and Brainspotting for managing nightmares and PTSD. Plus, get a sneak peek into her upcoming book 'The Sleep Advantage.' This episode is a must if you're looking to improve your sleep and overall well-being. FIND OUT MORE ABOUT LEAH AND HER BOOK HERE: https://www.drleahkaylor.com/ JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On May 25, 2025, Grant Hardin, a convicted killer and former police chief, walks out of the North Central Unit in Calico Rock, Arkansas, disguised in a makeshift guard uniform. His escape sets off an intense manhunt involving the FBI, state police, and federal agencies. In this episode of DEVIANT, host Andrew Iden delves into Hardin's dark history, including the brutal 2017 murder of James Appleton and a cold case sexual assault from 1997. Expert insights from former prosecutor Nathan Smith and corrections consultant Michael Cantrell reveal the challenges law enforcement faces in capturing such a dangerous individual. After more than two weeks on the run, Hardin is found less than two miles from the prison he escaped, raising critical questions about the facility's security. Also, a look at the complexities of manhunts and the serious threats posed by escaped convicts like Hardin. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

(AUDIO ONLY) Former police sergeant Patrick O'Donnell joins Deviant Off Script to discuss his 25-year career with the Milwaukee Police Department, his experiences during the crack wars and his transition to becoming a best-selling author. Patrick shares crazy stories from his time on the force, insights into his post-retirement life and his work helping writers accurately depict police procedures in their work. Patrick's also gives a taste of his new book, 'The Good Collar.' GET PATRICK'S LATEST BOOK: https://copsandwriters.com/book/the-good-collar/ JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Former journalist Michael Mayo recounts his experience covering the executions of two serial killers for the South Florida Sun Sentinel. Mayo details the emotional journey of interviewing victims' families, and witnessing the executions of Danny Rolling and Aileen Wuornos. He shares his perspective on the death penalty, describing the sterile and surreal atmosphere of the death chamber and reflects on the complex moral and ethical considerations surrounding capital punishment. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sex is an integral part of human nature, but it sometimes intersects with crime in troubling ways. In this episode of DEVIANT Off Script, host Dan Szematowicz sits down with Doug Fifer, a former Anchorage Police Department officer renowned for his work in hostage negotiation and sex crime investigation. Fifer discusses his new book, '50 Shades of True Crime,' which delves into the psychology of sex criminals and the nature of sexual deviancy. From hostage negotiation scenarios to serial killers, Doug shares gripping insights from his 25-year career. He also talks about the importance of law enforcement and offers advice on personal safety and understanding fetishes and paraphilias. GET DOUG'S BOOK: https://dougfifer.com/ JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Brian Townsend, a retired DEA agent, shares his journey into federal law enforcement, his experiences with drug enforcement, nd his views on the ongoing battle against drug addiction in the United States. From his early days in Missouri and Kansas to his extensive work with the DEA, Townsend discusses the complexities of the drug trade, the process of joining the DEA, and the importance of empathy in addressing addiction. Tune in to hear about his career highlights, including high-stakes raids, the evolution of methamphetamine and fentanyl trafficking controlled by cartels, and his current work in training, consulting, and public education on drug trends and prevention. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We get a lot of questions and a lot of comments, so in this episode, DEVIANT hosts Dan Szematowicz and Andrew Iden tackles them all. How does DEVIANT get made? How do we choose stories? Do Andrew and Dan hate each other? Your questions and comments answered, and all will be revealed! JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

(2/2) In part two of our conversation with retired FBI agent Scott Payne, host Andrew Iden continues his deep dive into Steve’s years spent undercover in some of America's most dangerous circles. In part two, Scott delves into his experiences infiltrating white supremacist groups like the KKK and The Base. He reveals harrowing tales of close calls, murder plots, and the inner workings of these radical organizations. Scott also shares personal stories about the challenges and sacrifices of living a double life while maintaining his optimism about humanity. GET SCOTT'S BOOK: https://a.co/d/07PiBV9 JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In 2014, Cory Barron is out for a night of fun at a stadium in Cleveland. He’s there to see Jason Aldean, and by all accounts, he’s having a great time. And then, he’s gone, seemingly into thin air. A few days later, his body is found in a landfill one county over. What happened to Cory Barron, and can police find justice? JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

(1/2) In this episode of Deviant Off Script, we dive into the world of undercover law enforcement with retired FBI agent Scott Payne. Scott takes us through his incredible journey of infiltrating outlaw biker gangs, neo-Nazis, the KKK, and other extremist groups in America. He shares the psychological toll and personal challenges that come with living a double life, and provides a glimpse into his fascinating new book, 'Code Name Pale Horse.' This captivating conversation was so extensive and rich with stories that we've split it into two parts. Tune in for part one of Scott Payne's mind-blowing experiences in the field. GET SCOTT'S BOOK: https://a.co/d/07PiBV9 JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

DEVIANT hosts Andrew Iden and Dan Szematowicz gather to announce the next DEVIANT story, (starting next week), and let you know what you can expect. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this powerful episode of Deviant Off Script, host Andrew Iden delves into the extraordinary life of Iran Nazario. Once entrenched in gang violence and crime, Iran turned his life around after years of struggle, trauma, and incarceration. He now leads the Peace Center of Connecticut, dedicating his life to helping others avoid the path he once walked. This episode explores Iran's traumatic childhood, his journey through gang culture, and his transformation into a community leader and advocate for peace. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Serial killers are natural deceivers, but hearing them describe their crimes in their own words has big value. It can help us understand how their minds work, and gives investigators the tools to catch future killers. In this episode, DEVIANT host Dan Szematowicz revisits some of the show's more intense serial killer confessions. Serial killers Israel Keyes, Anthony Sowell and Joseph Daniel Miller tell stories of their killings, and open up windows into their dark souls. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

A special look at daily true crime pod, Morning Cup of Murder. Morning Cup of Murder delivers daily true crime stories in quick, bite-sized episodes. With over 2,000 episodes and more than 40 million downloads, host Korina Biemesderfer, has a way of making each case compelling, whether it’s a well-known crime or one you’ve never heard of. Check out Morning Cup of Murder over on their own page, wherever you get your podcasts.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Join DEVIANT host Andrew Iden as he gets to know Andrea Thompson, one of the stars of the groundbreaking TV show NYPD Blue. In this episode of DEVIANT Off Script, Andrea discusses her journey into acting, her experiences on the show, and her unique transition to journalism. From formative childhood performances in Dayton, Ohio, to riding along with NYPD detectives, Andrea shares fascinating insights into her diverse career. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of DEVIANT Off Script, host Andrew Iden interviews former police chief and US Marshal Rick McCubbin. Rick delves into the unique challenges and experiences of leading small-town police departments, contrasting them with his time in larger cities like Louisville. He provides a detailed account of handling the tragic and unsolved murder of Officer Jason Ellis in Bardstown, highlighting the emotional toll and complexities of such a case. From his early aspirations in Kentucky to his significant roles in federal law enforcement, Rick offers a compelling narrative on what it means to serve and protect. It’s an in-depth look at policing, community trust and the enduring search for justice in unsolved crimes. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

DEVIANT's exploration of the Hart Family homicides concludes with hosts Andrew Iden and Dan Szematowicz finding conclusions, searching for truths and trying to answer the big question: "why?" Also, we play some of the sound that we weren't able to get to in the previous episodes, and share listener thoughts. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Join DEVIANT host Andrew Iden as he speaks with Alan Duke, a veteran reporter, editor, and producer with a long tenure at CNN. Duke shares his journey from a local DJ in Carrollton, Georgia, to covering major celebrity trials and true-crime stories, including the deaths of Michael Jackson and Anna Nicole Smith. Along the way, he recounts memorable courtroom experiences, the evolution of forensic technology in solving crimes, and the intricacies of working in LA's crime reporting scene. Don’t miss this deep dive into a lifetime of fascinating crime journalism. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

(Part 5/5) In our final episode on the Hart Family murders, DEVIANT host Andrew Iden explores the pivotal moments leading up to the family leaving their home in Washington, and talk to the neighbors who lived across the driveway about what they saw, the encounters and concerns they had, the opportunities missed and how it all led to the cliff in Mendocino County, CA. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of DEVIANT Off Script, host Andrew Iden sits down with Atlanta-based defense attorney Kirby Clements. Kirby, who has experience on both sides of the legal system as a former prosecutor, provides a compelling look into the American justice system. They discuss the intricacies of representing clients, the challenges faced by defense attorneys, and the courtroom dynamics that often surprise the public. Kirby shares personal stories from his career, shedding light on the emotional and practical aspects of criminal defense. This episode is a must for anyone interested in the law, and the real-life scenarios that attorneys navigate daily. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC 00:00 Introduction and Guest Overview 01:41 Kirby's Journey to Becoming a Lawyer 02:38 Early Career as a Prosecutor 04:00 Memorable Courtroom Stories 10:29 Transition to Criminal Defense 18:29 Confronting a Killer Client 19:34 The Role of a Defense Attorney 20:24 Prosecutor vs. Defense: A Philosophical Debate 21:55 Defending the Guilty and the Innocent 24:19 The Emotional Toll of Defending the Innocent 27:35 Public Perception and Jury Bias 32:58 The Reality of the Criminal Justice System 37:10 The Impact of Resources on Legal Defense 38:31 Final Thoughts and Reflections Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

(Part 4/5) In our latest episode of DEVIANT, Andrew Iden looks at the Hart Family case through the lens of an adoption system that may have failed to protect, and a process that favored two women who would become abusers, and then murderers. How did six children slip through the cracks? JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Deviant Off Script, we chat with John Oller, an author, journalist, and former attorney. John has written several books, including his latest, "Gangster Hunters," which explores the early days of the FBI during the 1930s gangster era. John shares the fascinating story behind his first dive into true crime writing: revisiting a cold case about Christie Mullins, a 14-year-old girl murdered in 1975. This case, which went viral in Columbus, Ohio, led to a reopening of the investigation and the policing naming a new suspect. John also discusses the challenges he faced in uncovering new evidence and getting the case reopened. Additionally, we delve into his latest book, exploring why the 1930s gangsters continue to captivate us and the role of the FBI in catching these notorious criminals. Check out host Andrew Iden and John's conversation about crime, history, and the relentless pursuit of justice. GET JOHN'S BOOK: https://a.co/d/fpHZhXC JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

(Part 3/5) When the Hart Family arrived at events and concerts, people noticed. Image was everything. And that was by Jen Hart's design...she curated a well crafted image. In this week’s episode, Deviant's Andrew Iden explores the careful facade that the Harts created, and reckons with what was seen vs the darkness that is now known. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Steve Gunderson spent his entire law enforcement career as the tip of the spear. He fought against violent extremists and domestic terror groups, hell bent on inflicting pain on American citizens. As an agent with the ATF, he was front and center, infiltrating the KKK, the Aryan Brotherhood, learning about their moves, their mission, and trying to bring them to justice before they could continue their brand of violence. In this episode of Off Script, Gunderson joins Andrew Iden to share some amazing stories of a life and job spent fighting back against hate. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

(Part 2/5) Following the decision to rule the Hart family crash an intentional act, Sheriff Tom Allman holds a coroner’s inquest, which reveals the haunting 48 hours leading up to the crash, and a clearer picture of who Jen and Sarah Hart were as mothers. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

For years, Rachel Jeffs lived behind the walls of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ-Latter Day Saints, the FLDS. There, she was abused: physically, mentally and sexually, by Warren Jeffs, the leader of the polygamist group. He was also her father. Rachel has managed to escape the group, and in doing so, is telling the world about her experience as a member of the FLDS, and the control that women inside the group live under. In this episode of Off Script, she shares her story with host Andrew Iden. It's a story of bravery and survival, how she escaped, and even her current views on religion and spirituality. GET RACHEL'S BOOK: https://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Free-Escaped-Polygamy-Father/dp/0062670522 JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

(PART 1/5) To outside appearances, Jennifer and Sarah Hart are the model of a happy modern family. They're married, have six adopted children and are always going on adventures. And then, in March of 2018, the Harts drive their van off a cliff in California, plunging into the Pacific Ocean. All six of their children are in the van with them. None survive. Investigators quickly realize this is no accident. As they learn more about the Hart family, it becomes clear that behind the happy social media posts and happy public faces, there is darkness. What happened in the Hart family van, and why? JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

"Russia's spies" has been a major news story for almost a decade now. They are here, in our computers, and on the ground. So what's it like to be one? Jack Barsky (not his original name) was a spy for the KGB at the height of the Cold War. He was a member of the elite Directorate S...the illegals. While training in Moscow, he learned how to act like an American, or so he thought. He figured it out though, and lived in the US, pretending to be American, for 15 years until the FBI put it all together. In this DEVIANT Off Script, host Dan Szematowicz sits down with Jack, now a US citizen, to get his incredible story. Get Jack's book: https://a.co/d/jeUx6lW Get Jack's podcast "The Agent" here: https://cumuluspodcastnetwork.com/pods/the-agent/ JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

(2/2) In April of 2018, Alek Minassian sits in a Toronto police station after using a van to kill eleven people. Now, investigators are trying to figure out who he is, and why he did this. Minassian is happy to talk about it all. What he spins is a tale years in the making, winding himself into the very fabric of what he calls the beta uprising...the incel revolution. Who are the incels? What do they want? How much of a threat are they today? DEVIANT host Dan Szematowicz explores all these questions, and concludes the story of the the 2018 Toronto Van Attack. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Andrew Iden has some programming changes, so you know what to expect, and when. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Robyn Curnow has spent her career reporting from some of the world's most interesting places. In 2008, she got to know an athlete in her native South Africa: Oscar Pistorius. In this episode of Deviant Off Script, Robyn talks to host Andrew Iden about reporting on crime stories in South Africa versus the United States, her coverage of the Pistorius murder trial, her career as a journalist, and interviewing people in the middle of crisis and trauma. CHECK OUT ROBYN'S PODCAST HERE: https://www.searchingforamericapod.com/ JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Part 1/2 In the spring of 2018, a beautiful Toronto day is broken by a man in a white rental van. He picks a busy part of town...a place where many people will be out and about. He pulls onto the sidewalk, and hits the accelerator. Ten minutes later, he's murdered 11 people. Police immediately arrest 25-year-old Alec Manassian. He claims to have a cause: the "incel revolution." In this multipart story from DEVIANT, host Dan Szematowicz explores this dark day, and the killer who claims allegiance to a bizarre online community. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

January's terror attack in New Orleans put the spotlight back on lone wolf terror. It's among the most terrifying acts of violence because it usually comes without warning, and it's extraordinarily difficult to prevent...but not impossible. Join DEVIANT host Dan Szematowicz as he learns all about it from terror expert Jeffrey Simon. What are the biggest threats facing us today, and can anything be done to stop them? Get Jeffrey's books here: https://a.co/d/3cFSByf and here: https://a.co/d/fSxgBqA JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We've been hard at work putting together a new series of stories for you. In this mini-installment, hosts Dan Szematowicz and Andrew Iden play sound from some of those new stories, talk about what you can expect and tell you how you can suggest stories too (hint: it's linked here). JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

As a longtime undercover ATF Agent, Jay Dobyns infiltrated outlaw biker gangs, and the famed Hell's Angels. Jay spent years inside the Angels as a member and officer, living alongside some of the most violent and dangerous criminals in America. He was also a member of the ATF teams that took part in the standoff at Waco, the Oklahoma City bombing response and the Columbine High School investigation. Deviant’s Dan Szematowicz and Andrew Iden talk to Jay about the pressure cooker existence of life undercover. GET JAY’S BOOK: https://a.co/d/eWbMfsM JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

He brags about his crimes for years, but nobody takes him seriously until 1992 ,when he’s caught in the act. Now everyone is listening as police attempt to untangle the full mystery of Joseph Daniel Miller, and the private graveyard he creates outside of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. DEVIANT host Dan Szematowicz takes introduces you to the serial killer you probably don't know about.  JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We all know what happened in Dallas in 1963. President John Fitzgerald Kennedy was assassinated. But what many don't know is that there was a previous attempt on his live several years prior, and it was a push-of-a-button away from being successful. Bestselling author Brad Meltzer joins host Dan Szematowicz to tell the incredible story of the birth of Camelot, and the random chance that saved it for a short time. Read Brad's book, The JFK Conspiracy: https://bradmeltzer.com/Nonfiction/The-JFK-Conspiracy Pre-order Make Magic: https://bradmeltzer.com/Nonfiction/makemagic JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In 2009, the buried bodies of 11 women are found in the desert outside of Albuquerque, New Mexico. The discovery kicks off a massive investigation, and an enduring mystery. Who committed these crimes? Is there a serial killer at work? DEVIANT host Dan Szematowicz searches for the truth about what happened out on the West Mesa. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Andrea Dunlop hosts the incredible podcast, Nobody Should Believe Me, which explores the psychology and criminology of Munchausen by proxy. It's a not-well-understood. form of abuse, and Andrea has first-hand knowledge after her sister was investigated for it more than 10 years ago. Andrea is also a novelist, and brings her experience and expertise on this mysterious subject to her work. In this week's episode of DEVIANT Off Script, Andrea and host Andrew Iden explore her amazing life story, and compelling work. Get Andrea's new book: https://a.co/d/f9vrQ4q JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

A renowned journalist, Ashleigh Banfield has been delivering the news across America for years. Before she was focused on true crime reporting, she was broadcasting from Ground Zero during 9/11, anchoring live news programs from the Middle East, and broadcasting on Court TV, Dateline, and 20/20, among others. She also happens to be a good friend of ours, and her story of journalism, life in front of the camera and the pull to true crime is a fascinating one. And now, she's launching her own, brand new true crime, podcast, Drop Dead Serious. It's out now wherever you get your podcasts, and she joined host Andrew Iden to talk it, and her incredible career. Check out Ashleigh's new podcast: https://www.dropdeadserious.com/ Get some delicious, healthy snack bars from our sponsor: http://thebellabars.com JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

If you didn't know that the FBI has forensic artists in their vast resource pool, you aren't alone. Meet Lisa Bailey. As an artist and forensic sculptor, Lisa was tasked for more than two decades with creating age progression imagers, as well as face approximation, the practice of using human skulls to try and identify unknown people and crime victims. She started her journey with the FBI in the shadow of 9/11, where one of her first assignments was working on the case against Zacarias Moussaoui, the alleged 20th hijacker of the 9/11 attacks. Her book Clay & Bones is out on paperback now! Get it here: www.lisabaileyauthor.com JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2024 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ken Behr's life was like a movie. He spent years smuggling marijuana and cocaine all over the United States. He was really good at what he did. Eventually though, his operation came crashing down, and he went to work for the DEA. Now, he’s an author who's candid and open about his story of drugs, money and many years of evading the law. In this edition of DEVIANT Off Script, Ken opens up to host Andrew Iden about his story. Get Ken's book: https://onestepovertheline.com/ JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2024 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Very few places can match the pressure, the violence and the bizarre logic of a US prison. Mike Cantrell is one of the few who understands how it all works, and has spent his career making it work. As a state and federal corrections officer, he's seen and been through it all. And as the host of The Prison Officer Podcast (https://theprisonofficer.com/), he brings his wild and unbelievable stories into the light. In this episode of DEVIANT Off Script, Mike wows hosts Dan Szematowicz and Andrew Iden with the story of his life. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2024 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Paul Vercammen has seen plenty in his journalism career. Based in CNN’s LA Bureau, he had a front row seat to wildfires, earthquakes, and some of America’s most biggest celebrity trials. OJ Simpson, Robert Durst, Michael Jackson, and the Led Zeppelin copyright case, just to name a few. Paul joins hosts Andrew Iden and Dan Szematowicz to take you inside the courtroom.  JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2024 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Bob Motta is the creator of Defense Diaries, one of the fastest growing names in true crime. From John Wayne Gacy to corrupt cops to his detailed coverage and legal analysis of the Delphi murders, Bob delivers true crime news and analysis through the lens of an experienced defense attorney. Bob joins Dan and Andrew to talk about all of that, and more. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit and follow Defense Diaries: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DefenseDiariesPod Podcasts: https://linktr.ee/DefenseDiaries Social: https://www.instagram.com/defensediaries and https://www.tiktok.com/@defensediariespodcast https://defensediaries.com Apple Podcasts: Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2024 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The holiday madness is here, and that goes for us here at DEVIANT too. Andrew and Dan share a quick update on what our holiday plans for the show are, and what you can expect through the new year. We also preview some of the amazing conversations you can expect. That includes deep-cover operatives, and true crime luminaries. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2024 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Stacey Honowitz spent 36 years in the Florida State Attorney's Office, prosecuting some of the worst of the worst: those who prey on children. Dan and Andrew talk with Stacey about her incredible career, and her current work in educating children, teens and adults on recognizing and stopping abuse. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Explore Stacey's books: https://www.amazon.com/Books-Stacey-Honowitz/s?rh=n%3A283155%2Cp_27%3AStacey+Honowitz Stacey's Insta: https://www.instagram.com/staceybhonowitz/ Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2024 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

(Part 3/3) It's the last episode of our exploration, and hosts Dan Szematowicz and Andrew Iden give their final takes on this mystery, talk about who may also have been a victim, and explore some of the possible suspects. Also, some great sound from family members of Alicia Showalter-Reynolds that we weren't able to get to in the first two episodes. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2024 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

For 13 years, Tom Allman had his hands full. He was the legendary Sheriff of Mendocino County in California. It's a massive part of the state, and is one the country's most prolific locales for growing marijuana. Sheriff Allman talks to hosts Andrew Iden and Dan Szematowicz about keeping the peace in the modern Wild West, managing the steady decriminalization of marijuana on a local level and the right way to police in the 21st Century. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2024 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

(Part 2/3) Who killed Alicia Reynolds? Who targeted women along a Virginia highway? Who is the Route 29 Stalker? As Alicia's family continues to process after all these years, Andrew Iden and Dan Szematowicz explore some of the possibilities of who it may be. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2024 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

From NPR to Hard Copy to NBC to Extra, and from OJ to Heidi Fleiss to Pamela Smart to Kenneth Bianchi, Diane Dimond's reporting career has let her witness some of the biggest stories of our time. But perhaps she's best known for her investigative work into the molestation allegations against Michael Jackson, and the investigation and trial to come. Diane joins DEVIANT hosts Dan Szematowicz and Andrew Iden to get into her incredible career. Get Diane's books here: https://dianedimond.com/books/ JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2024 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

(Part 1 /3) In the mid-90s, a mysterious man is attempting to flag down women drivers around the Route 29 corridor in Virginia. At first, nobody thinks much of it. Nobody makes the connections. And then, Alicia Showalter Reynolds disappears off that very road. What follows is great tragedy, and deep mystery. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2024 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

To stop the most notorious spy in US history, Eric O'Neill went undercover, and became the tip of the spear. His part in catching Robert Hanssen, an FBI agent passing highly classified and damaging information to Russia, is legendary, and the subject of the 2007 film "Breach." In this episode of DEVIANT Off Script, Eric and host Andrew Iden talk about how he helped get Hanssen, and his career in counterintelligence and cybersecurity. It's an incredible, eye-opening story you have to hear to believe. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Buy Gray Day, Eric's thrilling book on spies and spy hunting here: https://ericoneill.net/books/gray-day/ Learn more about Eric here: https://ericoneill.net/ Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2024 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In our first episode of DEVIANT Off Script, hosts Dan Szematowicz and Andrew Iden get to know the life and career of former Chicago homicide detective Mike Hammond. Over his career, he's seen it all. Every kind of crime scene, every kind of crime. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Detective Stories with Mike Hammond: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8hNRxWgpEjibTgrAyK9pkUI43CqASpU3&si=cBGM9_GZWwXhnr6G Copyright 2024 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

DEVIANT is going to two episodes a week! Hosts Dan Szematowicz and Andrew Iden breaks down what to expect, and how you can participate too. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's Halloween, and in this special episode of DEVIANT, hosts Andrew Iden and Dan Szematowicz tell three of their favorite, kinda-maybe-true original ghost stories. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Now you know everything we know about the 2014 killings of Russell and Shirley Dermond. So what do you think? In our Off Script episode, we give our parting thoughts on this case, read yours and play some of the sound we weren't able to get to in the main story. Also, a SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT that we think you'll like. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit our TikTok Instagram and YouTube Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

By now, you know many of the details of these crimes. The place, the time and what was done to Russell and Shirley Dermond. What we still don't know is the why and the who. In the final chapter of our exploration of the Lake Oconee murders, we consult with former members of the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit, and put together a profile of that who, and that why. Can we get closer to the actual truth? JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The crime scene found at the home of Russell and Shirley Dermond was bizarre...among the most bizarre many in law enforcement has ever seen. For years, no evidence of significance was found. But then, a breakthrough happens that has a chance to change the entire trajectory of the investigation. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Russell Dermond is dead, murdered and decapitated in his home. His wife Shirley is gone, with no sign of where she is, and whether or not she's alive. As Sheriff Howard Sills and his team of deputies search rural Georgia, word spreads around town, and rumors run rampant. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In the new series of DEVIANT, we explore the mysterious, bizarre and unsolved murders of Russell and Shirley Dermond. In May of 2014, they were murdered in their home in the upscale community of Lake Oconee, GA. This is the story of a crime without apparent motive, and the man who's made it his mission to bring the killer, or killers, to justice. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

As we wrap up our exploration of the Anthony Sowell case, we answer your questions, read your comments and play some great sound you haven't heard yet. Also, we unveil the next story we're taking on. JOiN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Anthony Sowell is now in court, on trial for his life. The evidence is overwhelming, with witnesses giving unforgettable testimony. What does "justice" look like for such monstrous actions? Will Sowell take responsibility? Will police take their share of it? ANNOUNCEMENT: In next week's episode, we'll be answering your questions and reading your comments. Leave them in the comments on your favorite podcast platform, DM us via our socials @deviant.podcast (Instagram and TikTok) or reach out through our Patreon: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Serial killers aren't created in a vacuum, and that goes for Anthony Sowell too. Everything about his life, up until the time police discovered the bodies of 11 women in and around his Cleveland home, was a series of warning signs. His childhood, his earlier crimes...everything. In this episode of DEVIANT, we learn the Sowell's origin story, and how he came to be. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Special thanks to Dr. Cheryl Arutt! She's great, and you can find her here: https://drcherylarutt.com and on her Instagram here: https://www.instagram.com/askdrcheryl/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Serial killer Anthony Sowell could have been stopped much earlier than he was, but at multiple points and for multiple reasons, the system failed. Chance, systemic neglect and incompetence all played their roles. In this episode, we'll learn about the most egregious missed opportunity...the one that allowed him to go on killing. The police had him, but they let him go, and never looked back. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Cleveland police finally learn that there's a serial killer at work right under their noses, and his name is Anthony Sowell. As the full horror of what's in Sowell's house becomes clear, a neighborhood is in shock, and the families of missing women wait for news. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In the summer of 2009, a horrible smell was spreading across Imperial Avenue, in the Mt. Pleasant neighborhood of Cleveland, OH. The people who lived there thought it was coming from the local sausage factory. They were wrong. That autumn, police walked into the house next door, the one belonging to Anthony Sowell. What they find inside is a nightmare...a serial killer operating right in front of them. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Nobody Should Believe Me is an amazing true crime show focused on the bizzare phenomenon known as Munchausen by Proxy, a disorder that can lead to crimes against children. Through four seasons, host Andrea Dunlop (a friend of DEVIANT) delves into these unbelievable - and unfrogettable - stories. This is the first episode of Season 4. To hear the rest of the season as well as prior seasons, follow Nobody Should Believe Me wherever you get your shows. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Unbelievably weird and wild details...those are everywhere in the stories of Israel Keyes, and in our first edition of "DEVIANT: Off Script," we share some of the things we didn't have room for in the series. Also, we answer YOUR questions, share your comments, and reveal who our next subject is...our next deviant. Join our Patreon: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Serial Killer Israel Keyes enacts his final act of control, and investigators are now on their own. It's the final episode of our exploration of Keyes, and we give our answer to the big question: just how far did Israel Keyes go? JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

As investigators continue to chip away at Israel Keyes, searching for the truth, he talks about traveling to Texas after he kills Samantha Koenig, and completely losing control. And in a dramatic courtroom appearance, all hell breaks loose. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Law enforcement now knows that Israel Keyes is a serial killer, and that he operates in a way they've never seen before. But what don't they know? They focus their efforts on getting Keyes to talk about new crimes and new victims. And he does...to an extent. And then, authorities make an incredible - and terrifying - discovery inside his jail cell. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

After a massive manhunt, police arrest the man they believe is responsible for the 2012 abduction of Samantha Koenig from Alaska. Israel Keyes is a brand new name to them, and as he confesses the truth about what he did to Samantha, and hints at many more crimes, the authorities get to work. JOIN OUR PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/DeviantPodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Serial killer Israel Keyes had an incredibly effective MO, and it kept him under the radar for years. But that all came to an end in a traffic stop argument. This is the story of how that happened, and our launching point into the next phase of our quest to figure how far Israel Keyes actually went. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Israel Keyes wasn't born a murderer. But his extremely unusual early years are an important part of understanding who he became, and how he embraced the monster.   JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Serial killer Israel Keyes wasn't on anyone's radar. What he did was completely unknown, and law enforcement had never heard of him. But all of that changes when he starts talking. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

DEVIANT, a new true crime podcast tells good stories about bad people who do very bad things. In this preview, hosts Andrew Iden and Dan Szematowicz talks about what you'll hear in the show, how it came to be and what to expect in every episode. Also, more on their first series: chasing the truth about serial killer Israel Keyes. They'll explore his crimes through the words of those who knew him, those who caught him, and Keyes himself. The first two episodes of Deviant premier on Tuesday, June 25th. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

From the award-winning creators of Down The Hill: The Delphi Murders, comes DEVIANT, a new true crime series that dives into the dark corners of what human beings are capable of. Hosts Dan Szematowicz and Andrew Iden tell good stories about bad people who do very bad things.  Some people are wired for good. Some are wired for bad. And some are wired... to be Deviant.  Follow the show wherever you listen and across socials @deviant.podcast (IG, TT, YT) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices